Did Pavlik's stock grow tonight?

[jmmfan]

Oh he is definitely impressing me. I just don't think beating Williams puts him in the P4P top 10. The Pavlik fight well, Pavlik was ready to be taken. If he gets another good win I would place him there.

I'd love to see how ****** your top 10 must look if you don't think Martinez is in it...

[deanrw]

Pascal, Alexander, Bradley, and Lopez don't belong on the list. Neither does Donaire.

Maybe they don't, but at least Bradley and Lopez have been doing their thing and you can make an argument for them. Donaire is too inactive and should not be there. Alexander does not belong near it.

Going back to Sergio. He has beaten Pavlik and traded a pair with Williams. that is basically what he has done.

[deanrw]

I'd love to see how ****** your top 10 must look if you don't think Martinez is in it...

Who has Martinez beaten? Williams and Pavlik. If that makes you want to put him in the top 10 P4P go for it.

[Iceta Lives]

Maybe they don't, but at least Bradley and Lopez have been doing their thing and you can make an argument for them. Donaire is too inactive and should not be there. Alexander does not belong near it.

Going back to Sergio. He has beaten Pavlik and traded a pair with Williams. that is basically what he has done.

He should've gotten the decisions against Cintron and Williams. And Cintron went on to have a good win against Angulo. What has Luevano done? Retire. What has Rafael Marquez done (Altough to be fair he hasn't had much time to do anything)? Nothing.

[Pullcounter]

He hung in there for 12 rounds with cuts over both eyes and took hard shots from Martinez.
Williams vs. Martinez I- Martinez came in on short notice and was not at his full potential.
Williams vs. Martinez II-Martinez came in with time to have a great camp and knocked Williams out cold.

nah... pwill was overrated by many. I thought pavlik would've KTFO pwill too.

[deanrw]

He should've gotten the decisions against Cintron and Williams. And Cintron went on to have a good win against Angulo. What has Luevano done? Retire. What has Rafael Marquez done (Altough to be fair he hasn't had much time to do anything)? Nothing.

Don't mention Cintron. Yes he should have won that fight, but just the fact that Cintron was in fairly competitive matches with both him and Williams does nothing but cement my position.

Maybe he does belong in there mainly due to the sh|tty state the sport is in as far as the talent pool goes. All I know is as soon as he fights a real middleweight with power, with some decent speed he is going to get in trouble with his style.

[New England]

I've always favored pavlik over williams


styles make fights

williams gets hit easily
always has

kelly pavlik will end your career if he hits you cleanly and often


sergio was never once hit flush by pavlik
and when he was even hit with a glancing shot it hurt him


williams would get dusted by pavlik if he could come in healthy, and even close to his '07 form (which wouldnt be hard against a guy like williams who is there fighting and throwing punches right in front of you)



guys
styles make fights
styles...
make fights

think about it
he's a huge target