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  • REMOVED SHARK 97
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    #21
    Originally posted by Johnny Chingas
    Are you really serious?

    There are no other factors involved in people dying in a boxing ring other than each round lasts 3 minutes and each round provides for more punishment?


    I guess I do expect it to be so simple to some of you since the majority of you aren't all that bright and always think in such simple ways.


    I can't see how going for an extra 9 minutes in a boxing match will somehow make me safer?

    I don't think there is much else to discuss.

    If in 12 rounds I take around 300 punches.

    And the fight goes on for 3 more rounds and I take 100 more punches, then it's quite simple that stopping in the 12th I wouldn't be taking 100 punches more and this lowers the risk factor of me getting hurt even further.

    "Getting punched" = Bad for you, getting hurt... not healthy!!.

    12 Rounds = total 300
    15 Rounds = total 400

    25% more of getting punched... see reference Getting Punched for more understanding...

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    • PainKiller
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      #22
      Johnny, your argument reminds me of a friend of mine who smokes a lot.

      I told him that you're gonna get cancer.

      He said his Gran Dad smoked from 12 to now, and a lot, and is fine.

      I said well look at statistics, smokers are at a much higher risk of cancer than a non smoker.

      I believe it will be the same with this.

      Someone like Meldrick Taylor use to box hard in sparring, look at him now.

      There are still brain damaged fighters now who can't talk clearly, but the more you fight, the more you're getting hurt and damaged.

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      • Mersey
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        #23
        Originally posted by Johnny Chingas
        So then,

        lets reduce the amount of rounds from 12 to 6 to cut the amount of deaths in half!


        That should work because,

        its a common sense problem right?
        That is common sense, you have more chance of being hurt in 12 rounds than you do in 6 rounds. But it can still happen within the 6 rounds, it's just that you have more time to get hurt with more rounds.

        It's like if somebody sprayed 12 bullets at you, you have more chance of getting hit and dying than you do if somebody shot 6 at you.
        Last edited by Mersey; 11-20-2010, 02:42 PM.

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        • Blooper
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          #24
          Originally posted by Mersey
          That is common sense, you have more chance of being hurt in 12 rounds than you do in 6 rounds. But it can still happen within the 6 rounds, it's just that you have more time to get hurt with more rounds.
          bottom line is - money talks.


          15 to 12 shows good faith on boxing's part to try and make the sport safer while not affecting their pockets.

          12 to 6 kills the sport outright along with a gazillion $$ with it.

          a few deaths in the ring right now isn't gonna make boxing drastically reduce the number of rounds.

          they'll just go look elsewhere for other remedies.

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          • sigrab jr
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            #25
            Ask yourself, what fighter has died from exhaustion or respiratory failure in any 12 round fight. And there's your answer.

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            • tibbar
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              #26
              If PAC VS MARG fight was for 15 rounds there is that big chance that Margarito would have won the fight because pacquiao would have given up on the 13th rd out of pity. pac will either refuse to get off the corner or jump off the ring.

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              • Blooper
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                #27
                Originally posted by sigrab jr
                Ask yourself, what fighter has died from exhaustion or respiratory failure in any 12 round fight. And there's your answer.
                i can actually see this happening in a 12 rd mma fight.

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                • Vasyl’s dad
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by PainKiller
                  Johnny, your argument reminds me of a friend of mine who smokes a lot.

                  I told him that you're gonna get cancer.

                  He said his Gran Dad smoked from 12 to now, and a lot, and is fine.

                  I said well look at statistics, smokers are at a much higher risk of cancer than a non smoker.

                  I believe it will be the same with this.

                  Someone like Meldrick Taylor use to box hard in sparring, look at him now.

                  There are still brain damaged fighters now who can't talk clearly, but the more you fight, the more you're getting hurt and damaged.
                  But this is where you're not getting my point.

                  Is Meldricks condition due to those gym wars,

                  or his actual fights?

                  As I've said before, there are more underlying conditions than just 3 extra rounds.

                  If anyone looked at the link I provided,

                  you might see what I'm talking about.




                  Heres an example.

                  Deaths by round since 1890.

                  Round 1 45 deaths
                  Round 2 62 deaths
                  Round 3 54 deaths
                  Round 4 82 deaths
                  Round 5 49 deaths
                  Round 6 95 deaths
                  Round 7 46 deaths
                  Round 8 91 deaths
                  Round 9 44 deaths
                  Round 10 92 deaths
                  Round 11 13 deaths
                  Round 12 35 deaths
                  Round 13 10 deaths
                  Round 14 10 deaths
                  Round 15 13 deaths
                  Round 16 9 deaths
                  >16 rounds 14 deaths

                  Although recent world championship matches usually ended during the second, fifth, or ninth round [EN11], Table 6 shows that death from ring injuries is most likely to occur during the fourth, sixth, eighth, tenth, and twelfth rounds. The relative scarcity of deaths after 12 rounds suggests that the reason why boxing organizations no longer schedule 15-round fights is that shorter fights better fit hour-long television broadcasting schedules.


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                  • Vasyl’s dad
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by sigrab jr
                    Ask yourself, what fighter has died from exhaustion or respiratory failure in any 12 round fight. And there's your answer.
                    Ask yourself,

                    "did I actually look at the data, or am I refusing to?"

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                    • Konstantin
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Johnny Chingas
                      Ask yourself,

                      "did I actually look at the data, or am I refusing to?"
                      58 lives is what the data says.

                      Why dont you respond to Bloopers point. Its a pretty good one that explains this situation.

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