Felix Trinidad vs Joshua Clottey

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

thats not tue aat all.....he cottley fought cotto like he di pacquiao, it would'nt have been close or controversial....a lot of posters overate fightrs once they retire....i excpect hoya to be the same 5 years from now....what did it take for winky to beat tito?.....a peekk aboo appraoch and a good jab, very common to clottey!

Expect Hoya to be what? Oscar is a highly acclaimed fighter already.


You're overrating Clottey. He simply isn't that good, he doesn't do enough and he doesn't possess enough drive to be anything more than a well-schooled contender.

His fight with Pacquiao looked exactly as it should've looked, based on what both fighters do. Pacquiao doesn't fight as Cotto does, so Clottey would never have been able to replicate the success he had with Cotto against Pacquiao. Nevertheless, he fought as Clottey always fights.


Clottey has nothing with which to beat a Tito Trinidad. You won't convince many people otherwise, and for good reason.

[puga]

Expect Hoya to be what? Oscar is a highly acclaimed fighter already.


You're overrating Clottey. He simply isn't that good, he doesn't do enough and he doesn't possess enough drive to be anything more than a well-schooled contender.

His fight with Pacquiao looked exactly as it should've looked, based on what both fighters do. Pacquiao doesn't fight as Cotto does, so Clottey would never have been able to replicate the success he had with Cotto against Pacquiao. Nevertheless, he fought as Clottey always fights.


Clottey has nothing with which to beat a Tito Trinidad. You won't convince many people otherwise, and for good reason.

try making a hoya thread saying he's a top 40 all time and see what responses you get...lol...but he will be reagrded somewhere mayb around there in the future..

..if im overartin clotey, youre overarating tito aswell ....a lot of here says he's some unbeatbleguy but the fact that he got beat one sidedly(how many times do i hvave to say that word)...vs winky tells me otherwise....winky beat him with things that clottey does very well is my basis why isaid what i said.....and pac and cotto dont have antyhitng to do with the thread....

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

try making a hoya thread saying he's a top 40 all time and see what responses you get...lol...but he will be reagrded somewhere mayb around there in the future..

..if im overartin clotey, youre overarating tito aswell ....a lot of here says he's some unbeatbleguy but the fact that he got beat one sidedly(how many times do i hvave to say that word)...vs winky tells me otherwise....winky beat him with things that clottey does very well is my basis why isaid what i said.....and pac and cotto dont have antyhitng to do with the thread....

DLH will never be regarded a Top 40 guy by most rational/knowledgeable boxing fans and analysts.

A correct perspective on his place in history will be maintained in general. He was a very good fighter, just a tier behind the true All-Timers.



Tito's not unbeatable per se. He's unbeatable to a Joshua Clottey.

Everything Clottey does that Winky did, Winky did it better and more besides. He also possessed intangibles that Clottey doesn't. Two different calibers of fighter.

[JDezi4]

It would be Tito vs Wright all over again, except maybe a little bit more competitive. But that wouldn't be saying much considering Tito vs Wright wasn't competitive at all. I suppose the KO is always there for Tito though.

[puga]

DLH will never be regarded a Top 40 guy by most rational/knowledgeable boxing fans and analysts.

A correct perspective on his place in history will be maintained in general. He was a very good fighter, just a tier behind the true All-Timers.



Tito's not unbeatable per se. He's unbeatable to a Joshua Clottey.

Everything Clottey does that Winky did, Winky did it better and more besides. He also possessed intangibles that Clottey doesn't. Two different calibers of fighter.

about hoya , he has a better resume than some of th people i see in a top 30 all time but thats anoher dicussuion....none of us here is enttiled to say who or who dont belong in that discussion but hoya's resume is great!

now, i never said clottey does anything better than winky but they both hve the good defense, the high guard in particular and the jab that , thats the main reasons why tito got beat bigtime ..and also the fact that tito could'nt adapt with that kind of style....clottey is all wrong for tito!...the onlyproblem i have for lottey is his low out put thas why i pick him by UD, and not as one side beatdown like vs winky !...

[puga]

It would be Tito vs Wright all over again, except maybe a little bit more competitive. But that wouldn't be saying much considering Tito vs Wright wasn't competitive at all. I suppose the KO is always there for Tito though.

i hate to agree with you but we're on the same page on this topic!

[JDezi4]

i hate to agree with you but we're on the same page on this topic!

That's why I hate Pacquiao/Floyd topics

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

about hoya , he has a better resume than some of th people i see in a top 30 all time but thats anoher dicussuion....none of us here is enttiled to say who or who dont belong in that discussion but hoya's resume is great!

now, i never said clottey does anything better than winky but they both hve the good defense, the high guard in particular and the jab that , thats the main reasons why tito got beat bigtime ..and also the fact that tito could'nt adapt with that kind of style....clottey is all wrong for tito!...the onlyproblem i have for lottey is his low out put thas why i pick him by UD, and not as one side beatdown like vs winky !...

Clottey's jab is not near as good or as controlling as Wright's, though, and he'd need it to be for him to be effective.

Winky was able to use the jab in so many different ways, too. His jab was a versatile thing.


All Clottey really has is the defense, which saves him from a KO (IMO) but doesn't make him impossible to hit. His lack of workrate lets Tito get in and work him up and down. Whatever Clottey counters back with in reply won't hurt Tito and it won't be enough to win him many rounds.

[Dambala]

LOL at people comparing Clottey to Winky just because of the high guard, crazy.

Tito didn't break Winky's guard because the fight was at 160 and he didn't have the same power at MW. On the other hand at Welter Tito was a devastaring puncher, with killing instinct who never gassed out. What could happen against a man who uses to stand right in front of you, with a high guard and has a low output of punches??? Simple, Tito would've knocked Clottey out within 5 rds.

[MiguelDirrell25]

Why would have wanted to see that fight ??

Clottey is a B+ fighter , in all his big fights he came out the loser with the exceptiin of judah