Comments Thread For: Arum: Pacquiao-Berto Possible; Koncz: Mosley Most Likely

[Red_Menace]

Your right. Barrera was more of a technical fighter. I think
Juan Manuel Marquez and Morales had some sound skill but
just engaged Manny too much instead of outboxing him.
Cotto to me has never been next to being close to a sound
boxer but more of a pressure fighter who depending more on
his power than his skill.

Barrera could box if he wanted to, like against Prince Hamed, but he tended to brawl a lot. Up until he fought Hamed, he was known as a guy that didn't really box much at all. That was a surprise victory, because he showed movement and restraint that no one expected from him.

Morales is the same. Knew how to box well, but liked to exchange and trade. Had that warrior mentality.

Marquez is probably the most technical of the three, and takes advantage of it, but gets caught up in trading and bravado as well. I think it's something that's built into the way they train fighters in Mexico. But Pac had huge problems with Marquez. Marquez finished stronger than Pac in both fights, and you could see that Pac was weary of him. Pac's quality of opposition has been up and down since Marquez. I think Cotto is probably his best win, since then. None of his opponents have been anything like Marquez. They know anyone with counter punching and movement like Marquez is a huge risk, so they've been putting him in with guys that are bigger and stronger, but more limited in their skill set. There is no way Arum wants to risk a loss on Pac's record. Every fight he wins, the story gets more press, and more and more money rolls in.

[viperz007]

Keep making excuses so you can jump and down when it's Mosley or Marquez. We know those are the fights you want.

nope that aint the fight i want, there aint nu more credible opponents for pac at welterweight except floyd but hey the guy keeps goin on vacation i cant blame him for that

mosley nope i dont want that considering *****s say mosley is too old already thats when did he got old? after floyd fought him?
i dont understand *****s, some say mosley too old some say mosley is not old yet and pac should fight him
so considering all that, i just cant imagine *****s giving pac credit after beating mosley so NO MOSLEY

marquez by the way is fight i wanted for one reason to shut marquez mouth he been too much lately saying his the only fighter who can beat pac right now.

here are my list of credible opponents left i think
*berto
*bradley/alexander

berto is a good fight
im seeing pac ending bradleys or alexanders carrier early though

[l3xxer]

we know Arum..

Pac-Mosley it is..

boxing is boring!

[IMDAZED]

nope that aint the fight i want, there aint nu more credible opponents for pac at welterweight except floyd but hey the guy keeps goin on vacation i cant blame him for that

mosley nope i dont want that considering *****s say mosley is too old already thats when did he got old? after floyd fought him?
i dont understand *****s, some say mosley too old some say mosley is not old yet and pac should fight him
so considering all that, i just cant imagine *****s giving pac credit after beating mosley so NO MOSLEY

marquez by the way is fight i wanted for one reason to shut marquez mouth he been too much lately saying his the only fighter who can beat pac right now.

here are my list of credible opponents left i think
*berto
*bradley/alexander

berto is a good fight
im seeing pac ending bradleys or alexanders carrier early though

Good, glad we're on the same page.

[Bastian Loc]

It'd be cool to watch Pac smack Mosley's ass into retirement.

[tusc1976]

nope that aint the fight i want, there aint nu more credible opponents for pac at welterweight except floyd but hey the guy keeps goin on vacation i cant blame him for that

mosley nope i dont want that considering *****s say mosley is too old already thats when did he got old? after floyd fought him?
i dont understand *****s, some say mosley too old some say mosley is not old yet and pac should fight him
so considering all that, i just cant imagine *****s giving pac credit after beating mosley so NO MOSLEY

marquez by the way is fight i wanted for one reason to shut marquez mouth he been too much lately saying his the only fighter who can beat pac right now.

here are my list of credible opponents left i think
*berto
*bradley/alexander

berto is a good fight
im seeing pac ending bradleys or alexanders carrier early though

GREAT POST, Couldn't agree more!

[GRUSTLER]

Ok good, glad you want that. Please run and hide when Martinez nor Williams get the shot.

I think Martinez would be too much for Pac. Martinez
has sound skill and he can take a punch pretty damn
good. Pac would possible get outboxed and tagged up.

[JAS_JAS]

Barrera could box if he wanted to, like against Prince Hamed, but he tended to brawl a lot. Up until he fought Hamed, he was known as a guy that didn't really box much at all. That was a surprise victory, because he showed movement and restraint that no one expected from him.

Morales is the same. Knew how to box well, but liked to exchange and trade. Had that warrior mentality.

Marquez is probably the most technical of the three, and takes advantage of it, but gets caught up in trading and bravado as well. I think it's something that's built into the way they train fighters in Mexico. But Pac had huge problems with Marquez. Marquez finished stronger than Pac in both fights, and you could see that Pac was weary of him. Pac's quality of opposition has been up and down since Marquez. I think Cotto is probably his best win, since then. None of his opponents have been anything like Marquez. They know anyone with counter punching and movement like Marquez is a huge risk, so they've been putting him in with guys that are bigger and stronger, but more limited in their skill set. There is no way Arum wants to risk a loss on Pac's record. Every fight he wins, the story gets more press, and more and more money rolls in.

i dont think they are weary of manny fighting technical boxers...mind you gentlemen that boxing is also a business...selling tickets and PPV...if they are afraid of matching manny with a technical boxer then they woudn't mention floyd's name everytime opportunities presents itself...lets face it guys technical boxers doesn't sell tickets and PPV...technical boxers dont make a compelling dramatic fight that could excite the audience and having them to come back for more(ofcourse there are a few exceptions)...FIGHTERS with BIG heart and devil may cry attitude in the ring sells tickets and PPV that is why they are the one's that are getting paid...if technical boxers are the one's selling tickets and PPV, Manny would be all over their asses...but unfortunately their not....

[MJ406]

Minor annoyance on catchweights

Why would Pac have Berto come down to 144 when Pac has fought Clottey @147 and Marg @150?

He fought Cotto at 145, and don't forget Margarito was a catchweight bout.

IMO Clottey wasn't seen as big of a risk, so no catchweight was needed for that fight

maybe Berto-Pacquiao wouldn't be at 144, but would a fight between them be at a catchweight?

It's not Pacquiao, but Roach and Arum that decide what the weight should be.

Pacquiao is still the one fighting, does he really need the advantage?

because there is a limit to everything... you cant expect manny to fight klitchko at heavyweight?...to even the playing field is the purpose of catchweights...

nobody is saying anything as drastic as Manny at HW

and besides, Manny is the favorite going into the fight ... on paper if he's already seen as the superior fighter (lets say matched up vs Cotto)

then how does the fight being at a catchweight even things out?

I've read numerous articles where Roach talks about Cotto "not being able to concentrate fully on training because he'll be too focused on making the weight" or so and so will be weight drained come fight night

so if Manny's already the favorite going into a fight vs Cotto or Margarito all adding the catchweight does is stack the deck more in Pac's favor. Since Manny's the smaller man, it'll be harder on the bigger men to make the catchweight

I don't see how adding a catchweight "evens things out"

when all it really does is give the favorite an extra advantage.

and besides, don't most people on here say that Pacquiao would beat these guys without the catchweight?

So what's the necessity to have a fight at a catchweight when it just gives the favorite (Pacquiao) an added advantage.

[relego]

Whoever Arum will guarantee Pacquiao the most money ($15M minimum) is the one Pacquiao will fight. If it is not Mayweather, my guess is it will be Cotto.