My take on Pacquiao vs Mayweather

[The Gambler1981]

I will level with you on why I don't think Manny stands a good chance of beating Floyd.

It is a matter of range, there are 3 ranges the fight will take place inside, Manny's range and outside. Inside and outside of Manny range Floyd has big advantages, but Manny at his range is excellent. The problem is that floyd has the options and he is excellent at neutralizing a guys optimum range.


That is a grim situation for Manny, if he can overcome that everything they say about him is true.

[PAKYO]

I will level with you on why I don't think Manny stands a good chance of beating Floyd.

It is a matter of range, there are 3 ranges the fight will take place inside, Manny's range and outside. Inside and outside of Manny range Floyd has big advantages, but Manny at his range is excellent. The problem is that floyd has the options and he is excellent at neutralizing a guys optimum range.


That is a grim situation for Manny, if he can overcome that everything they say about him is true.

Yeah i can agree with you on that and thanks to TS, he did made some fair assesment on both sides.

One intriguing thing about your last sentence is that it looks to me that even floyd is doubting himself against manny and that's half of the battle already.

I used to believe he can beat Pac but all his actions then and now speaks otherwise. It seems to be eating on him every passing day.

[The Gambler1981]

Yeah i can agree with you on that and thanks to TS, he did made some fair assesment on both sides.

One intriguing thing about your last sentence is that it looks to me that even floyd is doubting himself against manny and that's half of the battle already.

I used to believe he can beat Pac but all his actions then and now speaks otherwise. It seems to be eating on him every passing day.

I don't think Floyd thinks like that at all, I am sure he realizes that it would be the toughest fight of his career though but I am sure he believes he can't be beaten.

I am sure they both believe that actually, it comes with the territory of being the best fighter.

[PAKYO]

I don't think Floyd thinks like that at all, I am sure he realizes that it would be the toughest fight of his career though but I am sure he believes he can't be beaten.

I am sure they both believe that actually, it comes with the territory of being the best fighter.

This where we can disagree. Pac at this stage of his career does not care about losing to floyd at all. All he cares about is that he can give a good fight and making boxing fans happy which will be his un-doing later in life.

He wouldn't be shamed at all if ever he losses to floyd. It is floyd who has a lot to loss with a fight with Pac due to his big mouth and right now i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to eat all those words back and be the object of derision on boxing's history from thereon. Thus may explain his actions.

[serv]

I don't think Floyd thinks like that at all, I am sure he realizes that it would be the toughest fight of his career though but I am sure he believes he can't be beaten.

I am sure they both believe that actually, it comes with the territory of being the best fighter.

His actions isn't exactly what a confident man would normally do.

[fabie]

I will level with you on why I don't think Manny stands a good chance of beating Floyd.

It is a matter of range, there are 3 ranges the fight will take place inside, Manny's range and outside. Inside and outside of Manny range Floyd has big advantages, but Manny at his range is excellent. The problem is that floyd has the options and he is excellent at neutralizing a guys optimum range.


That is a grim situation for Manny, if he can overcome that everything they say about him is true.

You put it succinctly. The INSIDE GAME.

I have never said that I don't think that "Manny doesn't stand a good chance of beating Floyd". I only posted from my own humble opinion on how the fight would be fought.

But you "zeroed" in on the INSIDE GAME of Pacquiao. Mayweather have never really mixed it up. He is a master of distance, leverage and defense and in this light I still see him "TECHNICALLY" having the edge.

I often used the words "floodgates". Pacquiao have great potentiality of breaking Mayweather's superior defense and open up the "floodgates" if:

• Manny can "bridge the gap" of distance and with his odd/unique way of entry moves (usually a CHECK HOOK (right) and/or a LEFT CROSS) while he goes outside of Mayweather's foot/left jab.

• Manny's uncanny ability to time his opponents (defensive move) and/or to initiate an attack with a jab or double jab or a left cross.

• Once the "floodgates" are open, then the whole dam (pun) of outpouring water (combinations) will be unleashed.

This is the potentiality that is dangerous for Mayweather.

The complexity of it is that Mayweather can also simply:

• step back
• duck (no pun)
• swivel on a should roll stance
•*fade back
• clinch


The main thing I forgot to put on there is that:

• Mayweather is a defensive fighter but this time I think that he should attack inorder to deter Pacqiuao's superior offensive attacks.

• Pacquiao can be hit


But for Pacquiao to win must:

• *Eliminate his errors or inefficiency to be hit inorder to hit Mayweather. His method is effective in the light that "I will get hit but I will crash in your defense and kill you with my combinations"

• Mayweather's scarce punches however accurate will preserve his energy to go through and weather the onslaught and the storm (see Mosley fight)

• Mayweather will pick his shots and attack accordingly but this time he needs to be more aggressive because Pacquiao is a relentless attacker and cannot be beaten just by "standing and waiting" or he would cut you up with his combinations

Final Predictions?

• If Mayweather is not up to par (and he had some serious hiatus, which is not good) he would lose this fight. I am only reading from the ideal or prime Mayweather fighting a prime Pacquiao and so in this light, Pacquiao is really gaining serious momentum to beat Mayweather.

But Mayweather is technically a gifted fighter. I can see him having an edge with the great potential of Pacquiao beating him into a pulp also.

My mind goes to Mayweather but my sentiments being a Filipino-American goes to Pacquiao.

Fair enough?

[fabie]

Yeah i can agree with you on that and thanks to TS, he did made some fair assesment on both sides.

One intriguing thing about your last sentence is that it looks to me that even floyd is doubting himself against manny and that's half of the battle already.

I used to believe he can beat Pac but all his actions then and now speaks otherwise. It seems to be eating on him every passing day.

This is gaining momentum on me now also....though I still stick with my opinion of a technically gifted FLOYD as an edge over Manny but he better have a FLAWLESS time defending.

Likewise to be fair, Manny have to be flawless also and not get hit a lot.

And so with their contrasting styles and personality/demeanor - this fight has to happen!!!

[fabie]

His [off-the-ring] actions isn't exactly what a confident man would normally do.

fixed. Just to be fair.

[The Gambler1981]

You put it succinctly. The INSIDE GAME.

I have never said that I don't think that "Manny doesn't stand a good chance of beating Floyd". I only posted from my own humble opinion on how the fight would be fought.

But you "zeroed" in on the INSIDE GAME of Pacquiao. Mayweather have never really mixed it up. He is a master of distance, leverage and defense and in this light I still see him "TECHNICALLY" having the edge.

I often used the words "floodgates". Pacquiao have great potentiality of breaking Mayweather's superior defense and open up the "floodgates" if:

• Manny can "bridge the gap" of distance and with his odd/unique way of entry moves (usually a CHECK HOOK (right) and/or a LEFT CROSS) while he goes outside of Mayweather's foot/left jab.

• Manny's uncanny ability to time his opponents (defensive move) and/or to initiate an attack with a jab or double jab or a left cross.

• Once the "floodgates" are open, then the whole dam (pun) of outpouring water (combinations) will be unleashed.

This is the potentiality that is dangerous for Mayweather.

The complexity of it is that Mayweather can also simply:

• step back
• duck (no pun)
• swivel on a should roll stance
•*fade back
• clinch


The main thing I forgot to put on there is that:

• Mayweather is a defensive fighter but this time I think that he should attack inorder to deter Pacqiuao's superior offensive attacks.

• Pacquiao can be hit


But for Pacquiao to win must:

• *Eliminate his errors or inefficiency to be hit inorder to hit Mayweather. His method is effective in the light that "I will get hit but I will crash in your defense and kill you with my combinations"

• Mayweather's scarce punches however accurate will preserve his energy to go through and weather the onslaught and the storm (see Mosley fight)

• Mayweather will pick his shots and attack accordingly but this time he needs to be more aggressive because Pacquiao is a relentless attacker and cannot be beaten just by "standing and waiting" or he would cut you up with his combinations

Final Predictions?

• If Mayweather is not up to par (and he had some serious hiatus, which is not good) he would lose this fight. I am only reading from the ideal or prime Mayweather fighting a prime Pacquiao and so in this light, Pacquiao is really gaining serious momentum to beat Mayweather.

But Mayweather is technically a gifted fighter. I can see him having an edge with the great potential of Pacquiao beating him into a pulp also.

My mind goes to Mayweather but my sentiments being a Filipino-American goes to Pacquiao.

Fair enough?

You put thought into it so I have no real issue with what you are saying.

I would just say Mayweather is very good inside, he know how to get inside the arcs of a guys true power shots then use his forearms to get room for a couple in close and even with his long arms he is great at shortening up his punches. I don't think Manny inside his optimum range is better than Floyd

I only brought up what I said because you posted a well thought out analysis, I really had no intention of bringinging this stuff up again until after the fight takes place but I felt compelled to offer my thoughts in an honest way because this thread is well thought out.

It is no big deal if you disagree or think differently.

[maguirre]

This is gaining momentum on me now also....though I still stick with my opinion of a technically gifted FLOYD as an edge over Manny but he better have a FLAWLESS time defending.

Likewise to be fair, Manny have to be flawless also and not get hit a lot.

And so with their contrasting styles and personality/demeanor - this fight has to happen!!!

FLAWLESS is the key word here. Just like Pac's game on Margs. Pac made every damn split second to attempt a flawless fight. In every fight, a flawless fight is nearly impossible to witness. I believe that fight would have been shorter if the size difference is small.

Floyd this time around will be the Pac against a Margarito. He will desperately need a flawless game.