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Originally posted by fabie View PostGreat points...
I didn't use JUDAH in that light (I should have clarified more, thanks). I used Judah in the light that:
• He is a southpaw fighter
• He "dominated" the early rounds against Mayweather
Now if you have read somewhere (sorry for my long posting, hehehe) that Pacquiao's left cross is his left jab many times. But Judah and Pacquiao are two stylistically different fighters.
Pacquiao loved to engage in a rock'em-sock'em almost Mexican-style of boxing (which Mayweather realized and acknowledged in an interview somewhere) but with the deadly quick/fast 4-5-6 combinations!
And so while Pacquiao is not a jabber, he is a follow-upper kind of a guy off as counters off the opponents' jab aside from his usual double-jab-left cross.
What I've been impressed though is Pacquiao engaging with his LEAD RIGHT HOOK as his "jab". I should mention this on the posting but now that I've remembered it (hehehe)...
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Problem here bro is that floyd cant throw any punches while DUCKING and pacman can capitalise and unlease those upper cut combos.If grandad Mosley caught him Floyd will cling to dear life throught out the fight with this midget dog griller.
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Originally posted by Pullcounter View Postdude, no way wifebeater beats pac by potshotting. pac walks through wifebeater's bests potshot and fires of 6 punch combos to punish wifebeater. everybody who's ever run from pac has lost. potshotting allows you to go 12 rounds with pac, but no one ever wins by running.
Now Pacquiao is gaining momentum to me while Mayweather losing due to his inactivity.
Thus I brought up PRIME MAYWEAHTER vs PRIME PACQUIAO.
But lately it's been all Pacquiao and this could really affect Mayweather mentally as he is really a non-engaging fighter or in an euphemistic phraseology:
•*a scientific and cautious fighter
But Pacquiao's emotion/passion shows it in the most fistic way.Via relentless combinations and from all the angles that 360 circles can provide.
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Originally posted by rollycortez View PostProblem here bro is that floyd cant throw any punches while DUCKING and pacman can capitalise and unlease those upper cut combos.If grandad Mosley caught him Floyd will cling to dear life throught out the fight with this midget dog griller.
But what we can't negate however is Mayweather's technical prowess of defensive fighting. But the best of both OFFENSE and DEFENSE can present such very intruiging possibilities!
I am a fan of both styles really. And Pacquiao is really amping it up.
Here's my take again:
• If PACQUIAO relentlessly attack (I called it KAMIKAZE ATTACK) or like KERES ATTACK in Chess if you play that, is his only way. The early rounds wherein Mayweather still couldn't quite figure out how to gauge and engage Pacquiao
But if Pacquiao can't capitalize on that and finish him off, then Mayweather can adjust and adjust he can.
And so my wish is for Pacquiao to weather through the adjustment (if he fails to K.O. Floyd on the early rounds) and see the physical and mental toll on Mayweather.
But one thing Mayweather is good is pacing and discipline. He can't get caught up in the heat or he'll surely be annihilated by the relentless Filipino Tazmanian Devil.
He would have to box his very best. And Clinch a lot. And preserve himself....and that's been his usual mantra ever since.
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Originally posted by fabie View PostNothing would be more salivating than for me to watch contrasting of styles than these two superlative fighters now, here's how I see it.
Prime Mayweather vs Prime Pacquiao
• Mayweather Beating Pacquiao
As a traditional left lead fighter in Mayweather is all that we can see as traditional. What isn't is his impeccable and uncanny sixth sense on how to:
1) Distance himself from his opponents.
His left lead stance shows exceptional footworks behind his hind legs primed to back pedal, move forward, swivel (shoulder roll), duck (no puns), fade (with his right on guard at all times). His hind right leg is positioned in a nimble way, not locked flatfooted unless he wants to (see Mosley fight) to confront the opponent.
In my humble estimation his righ hind leg is always on his toes ready to spring for a right crosses and his lunging left hooks (patented shots) while his right hind leg is primed to absorb his weight when ducks down to his right, or even fade at his right as he swivel to his patented shoulder roll.
This is the main crux and engine of Mayweather, his superlative FORWARD/BACKWARD movements that would deter a Pacquiao attack or two (to put it modestly).
2) Right Guard
Mayweather's Right hand guard on the high position is the key to defend against Pacquiao's attacks (left cross). He can pat, parry, block AND do his PULL COUNTERS (right cross) with it.
3) Left on Low Position
Mayweather's low left hand position is primed to do one thing, HIS LUNGING LEFT HOOKS though he does have a decent left jab. This can also land on Pacquiao's right body and midsection should he step on his lateral right (dangerous against Pacquiao though). Mayweather's pinpoint accuracy on his lunging left hooks are amazing that can surprise opponents as he times it as the opponent is about to come in.
• Pacquiao Beating Mayweather
Pacquiao as a gifted and relentless southpaw could give Mayweather some stiff challenges. His timing, off-angles, counters and lateral movements (mainly cutting to Mayweather's outside left)
1) Left Cross/Left uppercut/Left Hookercut
Pacquiao's main arsenal is the LEFT CROSS (traditionally). But he uses it in so many ways that it blurs the line nowadays. He uses his Left Crosses also as a "lead jab" mainly against Right Handers on a left lead while cutting outside their left jab in 45 degrees.
Traditionally, Pacquiao would throw in a single or a double right jab then inevitably letting his main weapon fly off. We've seen it before. That was his main bread and butter.
Nowadays, he also uses the HOOKER CUT, a semi-uppercut/hook to counter off the right hander's left jab or even the right cross. This is for the semi-close range and therefore he needed to step up or step just outside the left jab of his opponent to close in. Due to Pacquao's low-center of gravity, low build and massive lower leg for balance and leverage - this punch is a KNOCK OUT PUNCH.
I can see him using this punch when he gets in Mayweather.
2) Right hook / Right Jab
Pacquao's Right Hook is becoming his next favorite attack other than his left crosses. He uses it as a LEAD entry to initiate a combination attack against a high CLOTTEY Guard but I can see him often using it to pound on the RIGHT HANDER's LEFT RIBs.
3) Combination
Superlative combination puncher, Pacquiao's multi-angle attack is the best I've ever seen since Sugar Ray Leonard and Aaron Pryor. But comes with it are strength and the snap. His leverage is well shown and momentum optimized to destroy his target.
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I've discussed the IDEALS of both, but in reality, we can only see a little of those because:
• Mayweather can neutralize many of the things I've discussed. Mayweather as the supreme defender can neutralize Pacquiao as the supreme attacker.
But Mayweather is also slowing down, mainly on his wheels. I would like to confirm Freddie Roach's reading on his last fight against Mosley but thatcan be misleading also since Mayweather's upfront tactic worked wonders against Mosley AFTER the right crosses (with no follow ups) in the 2nd round.
Mayweather stayed put and neutralized Mosley's right crosses by stepping up and jamming him. While using enough backpedaling...thus we see Mayweather relatively static compared to his previous fights.
I can see Mayweather potshotting Pacquiao with RIGHT CROSSES and taking a toll on Pacquiao to slow him down.
But the biggest thing that I can see Mayweather will use against Pacquiao other than using his wheels to move around and laterally is to CLINCH. CLINCH like never before and CLINCH like cheap glue like what he did occasionally against Mosley.
Pacquiao on the other hand, can use his LEFT CROSSES either as LEAD JABS or LEFT UPPERCUTS to Mayweather's ducking and fading (rolling to his right). Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK can only be placed on Mayweather's head and since Mayweather's left body is relatively secured with his LOW LEFT HAND placement defensively, it would be hard for Pacquiao to land the RIGHT HOOK.
And so ideally, Pacquiao have to pressure Mayweather relentlessly and in an accurate timing. This is how to pace himself against a "Boxer" in Mayweather who would test his stamina till the end.
And so Pacquiao has to be opportunistic in getting some shots in (which would be difficult).
THe main strategy is for Freddie and Pacquaio strategizing a KAMIKAZE ATTACK on the early rounds. BEFORE Mayweather can adjust. Pacquaiao has to exploit this. Just like Judah a bit dominating on Mayweather onth early rounds as a SOUTHPAW.
And if anyone else, Pacquao is the only boxer who can exploit Mayweather on these early rounds. Just like the floodgates, if he hits Mayweather, he has to bring everything.
So early rounds go to PACQUIAO and potentially can knock Mayweather out.
But after Mayweather adjust to the distance and timing, I think Mayweather would have to use his best best defensive boxing until the 12th round.
Prediction?
• Mayweather on a SPLIT or UNANIMOUS DECISION but with the potential PACQUAIO KAYOING Mayweather from the early rounds to the mid 7th rounds before he tires.
Thus Pacquaio would need to have his best stamina and pacing to beat Mayweather.
So there.....I am hoping for Pacquaio to Knock out Mayweather and wouldn't be surprised if he does. Just that chances are, I am going for the safe prediction of Mayweather going to the distance of boxing.
But we would never know, Pacquaio, the Tazmanian devil from the Philippines could be just what the fans ordered to beat Mayweather and beat him up.
This would be the boxing fight for the ages.
The problem is,and I know that for a fact,and that's what fans fail to understand:
Fighting southpaws is an OTHER SPORT.
And when I remember Floyd vs Zab,Corley,the Spadafora tape,well,he isn't that great in this one.
CAN I DOUBT PLEASE?
He's a perfect fighter,but he has flaws against southpaw fighters.
Even his father said in a video,they shouldn't allow lil Floyd to fight southpaws.
Mayweather will NEVER;NEVER beat with ease a southpaw of Pacquiao's quality,even if Pacquiao has flaws,if Pacquiao hadn't an average D,Floyd would have no chance.
Dude was getting tagged all night by Zab until "not so super" gased and Spadafora,even Corley tatooed his face with lefts.
His shoulder roll is swiss cheese against lefties.
Pacquiao is a nightmare for Floyd,hopefully he's smaller,at least Floyd can use his reach.
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The fight can go either way. I think it all comes down to who can outsmart the other boxer. Manny cant get too relentless because mayweather will counter and if manny is caught of guard and unbalanced it can be trouble. Now if mayweather leans in when throwing his right as I seen him do manny has pretty good head movement to get around it and land his jab. Zab Judah took advantage of that in the early rounds but pacquiao imo is much faster then Zab and smarter.
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Originally posted by BillyBoxing View PostI think Mayweather is the better technician.
The problem is,and I know that for a fact,and that's what fans fail to understand:
Fighting southpaws is an OTHER SPORT.
And when I remember Floyd vs Zab,Corley,the Spadafora tape,well,he isn't that great in this one.
CAN I DOUBT PLEASE?
He's a perfect fighter,but he has flaws against southpaw fighters.
Even his father said in a video,they shouldn't allow lil Floyd to fight southpaws.
Mayweather will NEVER;NEVER beat with ease a southpaw of Pacquiao's quality,even if Pacquiao has flaws,if Pacquiao hadn't an average D,Floyd would have no chance.
Dude was getting tagged all night by Zab until "not so super" gased and Spadafora,even Corley tatooed his face with lefts.
His shoulder roll is swiss cheese against lefties.
Pacquiao is a nightmare for Floyd,hopefully he's smaller,at least Floyd can use his reach.
Thus I presented both sides because I think both can really beat each other and depending on which one shows up more. I opted for the "safer" bet but in now way thinking that Mayweather can definitely win this.
It's a toss up!
But technically speaking, the nod goes to Mayweather me thinks. Now with the passion, will and volume punching, then I have to give this to Pacquiao who can offset Mayweather's technicalities also.
One thing I brought up: ADJUSTMENTS.
Mayweather can adjust well and thus I also explained opportunities going towards Pacquiao's way like opening floodgates once he hit Mayweather...it will surely be downhill for Mayweather once he gets hit hard and often.
It's Yin and Yang!
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good post.
i def see floyd going into the fight with his high guard on immediate standby. judging pacs distance, angles then employing it.
at that point i see floyd going in close as you said and staying on pac not giving pac any mid range distance. taking it to pacs body, smothering him, beating him to the body to tire him out. then floyd creating more distance to open up, box and punish pac. i def see floyd timing pacs attack and stopping pac in his tracks.
floyds def going to beat his body and head, in the begining. hes going to the body for the first half, tiring pac then the shoulder roll comes back out to close the fight. i see pac getting ko or roach throwing in the towel. roach will not let pac take those hard and accurate shots floyd will lay on him, for too long
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