Pacquiao not only ranked higher P4P than Mayweather, now ranked higher at 147 too....

[The Big Dunn]

floyd needs to fight him.

bull**** aside.

if they don't fight , history will consider pac the greater fighter.

I'm about to bounce but barring Manny testing positive for PED's, if they don't fight you are correct. But popularity shouldn't determine who the better fighter is. Manny's 8 in 8 is a great,unique, and special achievment and shouldn't be underestimated or minimalized. IMO, at no point in his life has he been a more skilled fighter than floyd mayweather jr. Manny deserves credit for beating larger men. Floyd deserves credit for beating larger men as well.

The difference to me, Manny fought rougher, less skilled opponents while dictating the terms. Floyd beat skilled opponents while having the terms dictated to him.

[Eaner0919]

he weighed in at 144


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dude's a jr WW
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not for nothing dingus BUT

140.1 = WELTERWEIGHT

/your education

[-MAKAVELLI-]

The difference to me, Manny fought rougher, less skilled opponents while dictating the terms. Floyd beat skilled opponents while having the terms dictated to him.

agreed...how dare JMM tell Floyd to come in overweight...and DAMN that Hatton for forcing Floyd to fight at WW

[Left Hook Tua]

It would fuck both of them if they don't fight surely Manny would end up ahead if they didn't fight but there are no winners in that situation.

Unless you want to listen to the same **** that has been goign on currently forever.

i disagree.

there will still be "who would win?" discussion.

i don't think there would be much debate about who is atg better though.

pacquiao's resume and accolades surpassed mayweather.

mayweather would need to beat pacquiao to pass him.


there's several factors on judging a fighter's place in history:

resume , titles , opponents' greatness , opponents' name recognition , memorable fights , memorable stories........

pacquiao has that in spades.

resume you can debate. even his titles you can question.

but pacquiao's opponents are considered greater , his opponents will be more remembered through the years , he will have more memorable fights people in the future can watch and of course he has his rags to riches , underdog stories that boxing historians eat up.

[DrewWoodside]

agreed...how dare JMM tell Floyd to come in overweight...and DAMN that Hatton for forcing Floyd to fight at WW

Yes and damn Margarito and Cotto for demanding Mayweather go to the Bahammas while they did a round robin with the other welterweights ultimately cancelling themselves out.

[cortdawg25]

floyd needs to fight him.

Bull**** aside.

If they don't fight , history will consider pac the greater fighter.

i don't think so. When speaking on something over time in a historical sense people tend to use rational logical sense. If their careers ended today, floyd would reign supreme. Afterall, pacquiao is just the new fish in the pond, he just got hot in the last couple years.

In fact 1 could argue that he should thank floyd for his new celebrity. He didn't shine until floyd was no longer there!

[Left Hook Tua]

I'm about to bounce but barring Manny testing positive for PED's, if they don't fight you are correct. But popularity shouldn't determine who the better fighter is. Manny's 8 in 8 is a great,unique, and special achievment and shouldn't be underestimated or minimalized. IMO, at no point in his life has he been a more skilled fighter than floyd mayweather jr. Manny deserves credit for beating larger men. Floyd deserves credit for beating larger men as well.

The difference to me, Manny fought rougher, less skilled opponents while dictating the terms. Floyd beat skilled opponents while having the terms dictated to him.

i don't know about that.

manny fought a lot of skilled opponents. their 140+ resumes might be a wash or even a slight edge to floyd but once barrera and morales at 126-130 comes up castillo and corrales at 130-135 will not compare. even if morales was past it.

the only opponent that dictated terms to mayweather was delahoya. who dictated terms to pacquiao too.

did pacquiao dictate terms when he was a short notice fill in against ledwaba?

or when he was still an unknown against a top 3-4 p4p star like barrera?

did pacquiao dictate terms when morales/arum forced him to use gloves not of his choice in the 1st morales fight?

[Eaner0919]

pac wasn't really staggering him with head punches but still he ate a lot. i feared for marg's health later on in life. marg has eaten a lot of punches in his career.

it was a moral victory to make it to the end but still i didn't like to see him taking punishment in a fight he didn't have a chance to win. he wasn't gonna catch up to pac anymore.

that said......if marg shows up in the cotto rematch like he did last saturday?

i like marg's chances. he can still take a punch and he still applies a ton of pressure.

there was an uppercut in the 3rd or 4th that Tony told his manager was the punch that changed his thinking a lot because he did not see it.

The gameplan was to bully Manny and use Tony's strength to lodge him against the ropes where Tony was going to beat everything he saw on Manny fatiguing him. Problem is that while he did it well in spurts he paid with punches he couldn't see, even before the eye issue

I know there has been a lot of debate about what a warrior is and all and whether quitting is the smart or cowardly thing to do

My opinion is that if you had a mindset that no matter what you are doing in there nothing will change the outcome then I can see you saving yourself for another day

However, I also see those who think they are constantly in the fight and do everything in their power to change the tide. That's Tony. People can hate on him, call him cheater, wish him dead but the amount of effort it took not only to face the buzzsaw that Manny is but to also believe in himself speaks volumes to his mentality

for that he gets my respect and I hope others' as well. Probably won't happen for most

[DrewWoodside]

i disagree.

there will still be "who would win?" discussion.

i don't think there would be much debate about who is atg better though.

pacquiao's resume and accolades surpassed mayweather.

mayweather would need to beat pacquiao to pass him.


there's several factors on judging a fighter's place in history:

resume , titles , opponents' greatness , opponents' name recognition , memorable fights , memorable stories........

pacquiao has that in spades.

resume you can debate. even his titles you can question.

but pacquiao's opponents are considered greater , his opponents will be more remembered through the years , he will have more memorable fights people in the future can watch and of course he has his rags to riches , underdog stories that boxing historians eat up.

Fans will also be likely to rewatch Pacquiao fights more frequently IMO, which could play a factor. The fact that Hagler/Hearns is so enjoyable, causes fans to rewatch it and thus allows the fight to continue garnering great respect even as years pass.

[War Dinamita]

agreed...how dare JMM tell Floyd to come in overweight...and DAMN that Hatton for forcing Floyd to fight at WW

Hatton didn't want it with Floyd at 140.

JMM was the one who called out Floyd not the other way around. You expected Floyd to come down to 135 just to fight JMM? JMM loses to Floyd at any weight class and at any time in his career.

Floyd would've still won every won if he came in at 144.