Dallas Morning News: Pac-Marg Attendance Was 'Disappointing'

[Eaner0919]

i did not write the articles.

but bob arum himself said what he 'expected'. you do know that they spend based on what they expect, right?

well then...

how come when Schaefer says he expects to do 3 million PPV buys for Mayweather Mosley we are led not to believe in what he says because he is merely hyping the fight and trying to drum up sales

but when Arum says 60k we are supposed to hold him to that expectation?

isn't that a tad unfair?

[zero188]

they could sell that to the public but not the hardcore fans

I think this, if not both happened on saturday. The casual fans only know two names and one fight, mayweather-pacquiao. Casual fans were sold on others fights for the momment, such as clottey, margarito, mosley ect, but they got tired of waiting. Things like this only take away from the fight if and when it actually happens.

[zero188]

maybe arum sees this now, and that is why he says that the next fight will be against a non top rank fighter.

unless bob already knows that the opponent is mosley.

...and i really dont see how they would sell a pacquiao-mosley 24/7. what is the hook?

And that is why he is playing it off and saying that they will finally fight a non top rank fighter. Arum knows that the money he likes to see from pac fights is getting smaller. the hook for pac-mosley 24/7 is if mosley can land an overhand right and ko pac before he tires. pathetic

[Gino Ros]

And that is why he is playing it off and saying that they will finally fight a non top rank fighter. Arum knows that the money he likes to see from pac fights is getting smaller. the hook for pac-mosley 24/7 is if mosley can land an overhand right and ko pac before he tires. pathetic

i guess they can sell it as the two guys who beat marg badly, and shane's point will be that he beat (stopped!) marg more impressivley than pac did.

shane was magnanimous on sat night, but we all know that the rhetoric gets amped up once the fight promotion gets going.

i'm sure shane would say that he is the stronger puncher and that he ko'd marg and almost ko'd floyd. "if I catch manny, he's going to sleep". that sort of thing.

[Jack Napier]

Shoulda gotten those Twitter, *******, and Facebook accounts... sorry had to say it.

:laugh::laugh:

[Pullcounter]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...22a0c754d.html

Finally, two opponents showing heart inside Cowboys Stadium. The relatively disappointing crowd of 43,162 was not disappointed. Fans were on their feet from the opening bell. Margarito finished with a closed right eye and a left eye that was almost there. Referee Laurence Cole stopped the fight in the 11th round to check Margarito's vision. Margarito never stopped advancing.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/11/14/1813681/pacquiao-margarito-far-below-attendance-expectations-at-cowboys

Pacquiao-Margarito Far Below Attendance Expectations at Cowboys Stadium


As much good as you can say about the win for Manny Pacquiao last night, there are no doubt some frowns on the business side of things coming out of the performance, at least for now. We'll see how pay-per-view figures stack up, but ESPN.com's Dan Rafael reported last night that the attendance at Cowboys Stadium was a "mere" 41,734 -- less than what Pacquiao did against the far lesser-known Joshua Clottey in March at the same building, and much, much less than the 70,000 they were talking up before this fight.

I don't recall ESPN panning the audience in wide view last night, and that might be why. Just speculating, but we know how Bob Arum reacts to disappointing business. We saw it when the 2009 fight between Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton fell dramatically short of his PPV buy prediction, as Arum was said to have tried to issue something of a gag order to HBO and co-promoters of the fight at Golden Boy Promotions, both parties who were happy with the number that Pacquiao-Hatton did.

41,000 is a very big crowd, but this might say something, particularly about Antonio Margarito and the matchup in general. We got a good fight last night, but maybe this replacement for Floyd Mayweather Jr. just wasn't up to snuff for most fans, and maybe Margarito doesn't have the mass backing that they thought he still had from the Mexican audience. This fight went to Texas because they thought they could do a huge gate by bringing in that audience and the Pacquiao fans for one big event. Doesn't look like that happened.

Or maybe there's simply too much by way of alternative entertainment in November. Even with the Cowboys sucking, the NFL is still the ticket in Dallas, plus those fans just got done with the Rangers in the World Series, college football is heating up, and the NBA and NHL are in swing. Compare that to March, which has no NFL, the NBA and NHL are in a "dull" part of their regular seasons, MLB is in Florida and Arizona, and the only real competition is March Madness.

But whatever the reason, this is not what they were hoping to see, obviously. I hope this doesn't deter them from doing future events, but there does come a time when, unless Jerry Jones is throwing on tons of money (and that will have its limit), returns can diminish even with very big crowds to the point that it's not worth it to go to Dallas when you can make a lot more money going to Vegas and fighting in front of 15,000 high-priced tickets.

the only explanations are:

1) margarito isn't as big w/ the mexican crowd as we thought
2) margarito WAS a 6-1 underdog

[Gino Ros]

tbh, as much as i hate the prospect of a pac-shane fight, isn't shane the first guy pac would face who has that kind of one-punch power coupled with the speed to put that power to use?

[Alibata]

1) i don't think this conversation is about floyd

2) would you rather sell 10 tickets at $50 each or 5 tickets @ $500 each?
there is a reason promoters and commissions measure gate REVENUE.

Dios Dominicano aka AL Haymon... That's who you are... Bingo

[Gino Ros]

the only explanations are:

1) margarito isn't as big w/ the mexican crowd as we thought
2) margarito WAS a 6-1 underdog

1) but clottey had zero people, right? so the clottey fight was all fil-ams. that means fewer fil-ams went to this fight.

arum was counting on 50k filams and another 20 mex

2) Mar 6, 2010 ... Bet Boxing Odds. Pacquiao is the favorite heading into the fight with a betting line of -675 while Clottey has a line of +475 according to ...
https://www.thespread.com/.../030610...clottey-odds-a -picks - Cached

[jrosales13]

tbh, as much as i hate the prospect of a pac-shane fight, isn't shane the first guy pac would face who has that kind of one-punch power coupled with the speed to put that power to use?

Bernardo, is this a legit post from you?

But, no don't want tot see it.

It would be 3 tune-ups in a row. You can't have that when you're in that elite level.