Pacquiao is...........

[puga]

Are you suggesting Manny is better because he dominated lesser competition in a better way? Are we rating Manny's demolition of Hatton ahead of Duran winning a UD vs SRL? or ahead of roy UD over Toney?

Please explain.

is lamotta beating robinson bigger than duran beating srl?......is lamotta greater than duran?........pac's win over barrera>>>>>>roy's win over toney!

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Are you suggesting Manny is better because he dominated lesser competition in a better way? Are we rating Manny's demolition of Hatton ahead of Duran winning a UD vs SRL? or ahead of roy UD over Toney? Please explain.

Great way to word it.

[Khalid X]

Are you suggesting Manny is better because he dominated lesser competition in a better way? Are we rating Manny's demolition of Hatton ahead of Duran winning a UD vs SRL? or ahead of roy UD over Toney?

Please explain.

Props to Roy for his win over Toney as that was an ATG performance. The thing is Roy looked great against subpar opposition while Manny looked great against world class elite level opposition. I mean lets keep it real and realize that Roy's opposition was extremely soft in the late 90's early 00's. When he finally faced a guy who was a legit threat....he got obliterated.

Roy is not even close to being better than Manny and this isn't me flaming or just saying **** to rile people up.


As far as the Leonard comment, I have Leonard rated higher than Pacquiao due to resume. I'm not denying or arguing that. I'm saying Leonard was never as dominate as Manny. Manny makes the **** look easy and this is against elite level fighters.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Props to Roy for his win over Toney as that was an ATG performance. The thing is Roy looked great against subpar opposition while Manny looked great against world class elite level opposition. I mean lets keep it real and realize that Roy's opposition was extremely soft in the late 90's early 00's. When he finally faced a guy who was a legit threat....he got obliterated.

Roy is not even close to being better than Manny and this isn't me flaming or just saying **** to rile people up.


As far as the Leonard comment, I have Leonard rated higher than Pacquiao due to resume. I'm not denying or arguing that. I'm saying Leonard was never as dominate as Manny. Manny makes the **** look easy and this is against elite level fighters.

Can you name these guys Mike.

[NChristo]

Dominance is getting brought up and about how Leonard / Duran weren't as dominant as Pacquaio is, 1 thing wrong with that statement, Pacquaio isn't fighting the competition that they did.

Although I will add that Lightweight Duran was probably one of the most dominant I've seen.

I agree and lets looks at those 2 names. Duran beat Kobayashi in like what? 1970?71? Somewhere around there early 70's, at 135? And, then beat Jorge Castro a prime Castro late 90's, like 1997 I think, at 168.

Do people realize how crazy that is. And, when people say Pac is top 10. Is like come on Duran is like borderline top 10 all time. He can be in or you can leave him right outside the top 10. Is like a flip of the coin when you get to that level.

And, as much as I love Pac, I am a huge fan, but there is no way he should be ranked ahead of Duran in terms of greatness. If Pac can have a top elite win 15 years past his prime then we can talk about it. Until then no....

Yep, Duran was damn 45 when he beat a peak Castro, Kobayashi's last fight was with Duran and he wasn't what he used to be but he still had a lot of fight left in him and was much more experienced.

I didnt know a win over a faded Margarito makes you the GOAT.

Man this section of the forum is garbage.

Then why don't you post more in History, you said you was going too but made 1 thread and that was all.

Just Saying.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Dominance is getting brought up and about how Leonard / Duran weren't as dominant as Pacquaio is, 1 thing wrong with that statement, Pacquaio isn't fighting the competition that they did.

Although I will add that Lightweight Duran was probably one of the most dominant I've seen.



Yep, Duran was damn 45 when he beat a peak Castro, Kobayashi's last fight was with Duran and he wasn't what he used to be but he still had a lot of fight left in him and was much more experienced.





Then why don't you post more in History, you said you was going too but made 1 thread and that was all.

Just Saying.

Its November.


Its football season. Everything takes a backseat when its football season. I barely post on any section about boxing period as of late.

[The Big Dunn]

You talking about skills when the man is talking about greatness. Ricardo Lopez is way more skilled than Pac, Pac is way greater than Lopez. That is why I called you Dunce cuz you don't get that. So stop it...

And, you acting like Pac have not won fights when being the underdog. So stop it.

WTF does it mean that he was favorite? So what.... Floyd has been favorite in all his fights but one and or two... So by your own logic what Floyd has done is not that impressive? Floyd was what like a 4-1 or maybe even 5-1 also favorite over Shane Mosley? So, Floyd shouldn't get any praises for his performance against Shane cuz he was such a favorite? GTFOH... Just stop it...

Jrosales13 you are my man and a good poster but you are way off here. To your point about skill vs greatness, the same thing could be said about sweet pea, more skilled but not "greater". Yet you felt sweet pea was the greatest so I don't see how you can question me pointing out ricardo. But your point is fair.

There is no way beating Marg takes manny to another level. Manny was a 5-1 favorite. SO this was expected, it wasn't a surprise. The TS wasn't discussing anything historical so you shouldn't either.

And this has nothing to do with floyd. But since you brought him up let me ask this. Did floyd beating Shane or Gatti (both fights he was huge favorite) raise his level of greatness? Of course not.

This was a great showcase for Manny's skill set. The 8th title is a great accomplishment. He is a unique and special fighter. Not the best I have evr seen and if anyone uses this fight to make that statement then they had better feel as strong or stronger about Shane Mosley.

[Khalid X]

Are you suggesting Manny is better because he dominated lesser competition in a better way? Are we rating Manny's demolition of Hatton ahead of Duran winning a UD vs SRL? or ahead of roy UD over Toney?

Please explain.

I'll put this another way so you can get what I'm saying. I have Ali rated higher than Floyd (common sense) but IMHO Floyd is a better fighter than Ali. I mean if you had two tv's side by side and watch both fight......Floyd is better and it isn't even close. Now resume and accomplishment wise Ali is higher and the same **** with Manny and these other guys.

I have see Duran and all these other guys fight. Manny is more dominate and looks better than any of those guys. I know must wont agree, but this is how I feel and I have watched these guys over and over again (I'm a boxing junky).

So again I rate them higher than Manny because of their resume, but Manny is the greatest fighter I have seen with my own eyes. While Leonard and Duran were b4 my time, I count them as part of it due to the sole reason that I grew up watching tapes of them due to my family being such fans of those guys.

[NChristo]

Its November.


Its football season. Everything takes a backseat when its football season. I barely post on any section about boxing period as of late.

Fair enough then, live in England so don't really know much of anything that going on with Football.

['Sugar' Freddi]

If you feel that way about floyd, how does manny beating him make manny the greatest ever? are you really admitting without admitting it that floyd is really the best of this generation?

No, Floyd is not the best, but one of the best. Pacquiao right now is ahead of Floyd in the ATG list for sure, and beating Floyd, it would just rank him even higher. In this generation, it's Pac then Floyd. Beating the #2 fighter in your generation does say a lot.