Pacquiao is...........

[IMDAZED]

I think that's what surprised me so much. I think in the 8th round or so, Pac hurt Marg to the body......when the hell have we seen that happen.

I have no comment. Well, I have plenty but...ehh.

[prinzemanspopa]

It really is remarkable how easily boxing fans are lead by smart matchmaking.It's similar to how pro wrestling promoters were able to mislead gullible fans into believing their product was actually real.They had a term for those people - which was a "mark".Pacquiao fans are true "marks".



The fact that people are giving Pacquiao such great credit for beating guys that he was so heavily favoured to beat is just ridiculous.If you want to give him credit,if you want to say that was a very good win that will add to Pacquiao's already great resume,then do just that.But don't make a huge show over it and start proclaiming him the GOAT as the result of one dominating win over an opponent that everybody beforehand said was made-to-order.



Throw Pacquiao in there with a fading Marquez,even now,at a suitable weight and you'll see Pacquiao not look as dominating as he has been over the last two and a half years.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

It really is remarkable how easily boxing fans are lead by smart matchmaking.It's similar to how pro wrestling promoters were able to mislead gullible fans into believing their product was actually real.They had a term for those people - which was a "mark".Pacquiao fans are true "marks".



The fact that people are giving Pacquiao such great credit for beating guys that he was so heavily favoured to beat is just ridiculous.If you want to give him credit,if you want to say that was a very good win that will add to Pacquiao's already great resume,then do just that.But don't make a huge show over it and start proclaiming him the GOAT as the result of one dominating win over an opponent that everybody said beforehand was made-to-order.



Throw Pacquiao in there with a fading Marquez,even now,at a suitable weight and you'll see Pacquiao not look as dominating as he has been over the last two and a half years.

You couldn't be more wrong and are missing the point. Ask these guys what my prediction was prior to this fight. I predicted Marg would be dominated.

What is impressive is the WAY he did it. I never thought pac would have enough power to hurt Marg, he hurt him and bad. He took his foot off the gas pedal and if he didn't, I have no doubt that the fight would have been stopped in the 11th or 12th.

I wasn't shocked at the outcome, just how it came. Pac is truly an amazing fighter and it seems as though people just take his greatness for granted.

I wish people would stop putting their own personal feelings in front of their brain. I hate Mayweather as a person but as a fighter he's nothing short of great. I just think right now Pac is greater.

[hugh grant]

It really is remarkable how easily boxing fans are lead by smart matchmaking.It's similar to how pro wrestling promoters were able to mislead gullible fans into believing their product was actually real.They had a term for those people - which was a "mark".Pacquiao fans are true "marks".



The fact that people are giving Pacquiao such great credit for beating guys that he was so heavily favoured to beat is just ridiculous.If you want to give him credit,if you want to say that was a very good win that will add to Pacquiao's already great resume,then do just that.But don't make a huge show over it and start proclaiming him the GOAT as the result of one dominating win over an opponent that everybody beforehand said was made-to-order.



Throw Pacquiao in there with a fading Marquez,even now,at a suitable weight and you'll see Pacquiao not look as dominating as he has been over the last two and a half years.

Pac is given credit because he is dominating fighters who generally dont get dominated. Pac is favoured to beat Margarito because how great Pac is. If Pac was to fight Vitali klitscho, and Pac was favoured to beat him. YOu cant not give Pac credit just because he was favoured to beat Klitscho.
Thats a reason to give Pac credit.
Not any tom dick and harry would be favoured to beat Margarito and especially as convincing as pac did.

ANd why does JMMs name keep coming up? What relevance is his name? So he gave Pac a hard fight. ANy great fighter in history has had a nemesis. That dont take away from what Pac has actually done in all his other fights.

[dyu]

Its November.


Its football season. Everything takes a backseat when its football season. I barely post on any section about boxing period as of late.

Unfortunately the posts you "barely" posted are garbage.

[jrosales13]

but what was marg's weight on the night he fought smm?

160.......

[dyu]

well big boys like u are making Boxingscene home of the stupids who are hard to please by fighters who just came from 106 beating the crap out of the big guys and whos who in that division....ur not a boxing fan imho

Burner really thinks he is something special ... its not even funny.
Well he's actually a special kind of dummy if you ask me.

[dyu]

Better yet they think since Margarito lost to Mosley that he was shot. News flash.....prior to Williams not only did tony has losses he had TKO stoppage losses as well. He's only prime when he faces their favorite fighter....and conviently they all of the sudden become shot when Manny faces him.


I swear they will lie and say Williams is weight drained and Martinez wars took too much out of him.....when Manny beats his a$$ as well. It's a never ending story with these dudes.

These *****s will think of anything just to discredit.

[Anti~Jalandoni]

Yes, he's very very good. Awesome performances. The problem is he's fighting all these guys for money and to make him look good. Put Pacquiao in with Williams/Martinez/Mayweather/JMM again/ and you'll realize he isn't the same Pacquiao as you see before you in the last couple of years. Like I said, for the past few years now he's been given multiple gimmie fights where the objective is to make him look good.

He won't be the same, But he will win......

[Anti~Jalandoni]

....somebody posted this at esb and has good info about pac's legacy!

Elite Club of Multiple Division World Champions w/ at least 4:
8 - Manny Pacquiao (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
6 - Oscar DeLa Hoya (130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160)
5 - Thomas Hearns (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Sugar Ray Leonard (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. (130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Roberto Duran (135, 147, 154, 160)
4 - Pernell Whitaker (135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Leo Gomez (105, 108, 112, 115)
4 - Roy Jones Jr. (160, 168, 175, 200+)

Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of Ring Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
5 - Muhhamad Ali - 1963, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978
4 - Joe Louis - 1936, 1938, 1939, 1941
3 - Joe Frazier - 1967, 1970, 1971
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1987, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*

Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of BWAA Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
3 - Muhhamad Ali - 1965, 1974, 1975
3 - Joe Frazier - 1969, 1971, 1975
3 - Sugar Ray Leonard - 1976, 1979, 1981
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1990, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*



Comparing Manny Pacquiao among the Ring top-10 ATG Fighters:

Career W-L-D Record:
Joe Louis =========== 66-3-0 ======= 0.957
Willie Pep =========== 229-11-1 ===== 0.950
Muhhamad Ali ======== 56-5-0 ======= 0.918
Manny Pacquiao ====== 51-3-2 ======= 0.911 (4th)
Sugar Ray Leonard ==== 36-3-1 ======= 0.900
Pernell Whitaker ====== 40-4-1 ======= 0.889
Sugar Ray Robinson === 175-19-6 ===== 0.875
Harry Greb ========== 260-20-18 ==== 0.872
Roberto Duran ======= 103-16-0 ===== 0.866
Benny Leonard ======= 184-19-11 ==== 0.860
Henry Armstrong ===== 149-21-10 ==== 0.828

KO Percentage:
Joe Louis ============= 75.36%
Manny Pacquiao ======== 67.86% (2nd)
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 62.50%
Muhhamad Ali ========== 60.66%
Roberto Duran ========= 58.85%
Henry Armstrong ======= 56.11%
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 54.00%
Pernell Whitaker ======== 36.96%
Willie Pep ============= 26.97%
Benny Leonard ========= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A

Peak Record:
Harry Greb ============ 258-18-18
Benny Leonard ========= 184-18-11
Willie Pep ============= 134-1-1
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 128-1-2
Henry Armstrong ======= 108-12-8
Roberto Duran ========= 72-1-0
Joe Louis ============= 58-1-0
Muhhamad Ali ========== 55-2-0
Manny Pacquiao ======== 51-3-2 (9th)
Pernell Whitaker ======== 40-1-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 35-1-1

Number of HOF'er Defeated:
Harry Greb ------------------ 13
Norfolk, Tunney, Blackburn, Dillon, Flowers, Walker, Loughran, Miske,
Levinskey, M. Gibbons, Rosenbloom, Slattery, T. Gibbons
Sugar Ray Robinson -------- 10
Armstrong, LaMotta, Fullmer, Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano,
Zivic, Turpin, Angott, Olson
Henry Armstrong ----------- 10
Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic,
Montanez, Bass, Wright, Arizmendi
Joe Louis -------------------- 8
Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock,
Lewis, Bivins
Muhhamad Ali --------------- 7
Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
Benny Leonard -------------- 7
Tendler, Kansas, Dundee, Ritchie, Britton,
Kilbane, Welsh
Manny Pacquiao ------------- 6 (7th)
Barrera, Morales, Marquez, DeLa Hoya, Cotto, Hatton
*Assuming all makes it in IBHOF
Sugar Ray Leonard --------- 4
Duran, Benitez, Hagler, Hearns
Roberto Duran -------------- 4
Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Buchanan
*De Jesus & Marcel have strong chances though
Willie Pep ------------------- 3
Saddler, Ortiz, Wright
Pernell Whitaker ------------ 2
Nelson, Ramirez

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by Percentage:
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1 ======= 0.850
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1 ======= 0.850
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1 ======= 0.840
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1 ======= 0.830(4th)
Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1 ======== 0.780
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3 ======= 0.755
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4 ======= 0.684
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6 ====== 0.667
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by No. of Wins minus No. of Losses:
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1(7th)
Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Pacquiao's Other Statistics:
World Title Fights Record: 13-1-2
Number of Defeated World Champions: 12
Longest Win streak w/o a draw: 15
First Held a World Title at age: 19
Last Held a World Title at age: 31 (present)
Never fought a 0-0-0 fighter

Did you make all of this? or You copied it?

But still props to you...
This really shows that Pacquiao belongs to the ATG..