Where is Manny Pacquiao in your Top ATG list?????

[ThunderWolf]

There is so much wrong with this post I dont know where to start.

Damn Pac fans are ****in ******s.

You *****s are really that DUMB?

Read my post again, I said LITERALLY. And MP will have 3 crowns simultaneously in different weight divisions as Henry Armstrong. That statement is a fact. What you say next is because you are an e-diot.

[infamous larryx]

How u gonna ask for lists when the majority of the people that actually seen the old school fighters fight, don't even know how to use a PC. lol. All your gonna get are a bunch of copy and pasting of lists, and then inserting Pacquiao somewhere where they remove another fighter or drop him somewhere back, lol. You can't ask this question on a forum full of bias, racist, haters. The honest truth here. You won't get anything accurate, nor will you get anything meaningful, when the only lists people actually respect are those by boxing historians. You can post your list, and nobody will remember it for more than 10 minutes.

you summed up my point..posters shouldnt speak on what they dont know

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Can we like never compare him to Armstrong. Like ever. He has as much in common with Armstrong as Tye Fields does.

Lets stop with the Armstrong shyt.

you are a ****ing ******. please stop pretending to be a expert. pacquiao is definitely, justifiably, & righteously comparable to henry armstrong.

You must judge pacquiao by today's standard.

There's a reason why people much smarter than you who went to college whose opinion matter, & who get paid to write about boxng compare the two.

[PEBBLES!]

i would rather not post a list than post a bad one. ATG lists are tricky, subjective, & are very ambiguous. im still formulating one, ive got the top 10 almost down, 10-20 is still a work in progress.

Ill post my top 5:

1.Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Joe Louis
5.Roberto Duran

still trying to figure out which OBVIOUSLY GROTESQUELY OVERRATED old timer to put down.

6-10 im still rearranging between

ray leonard, willie pep, benny leonard, harry greb, pernell, & archie moore. I definitely have salvador sanchez, alexis arguello, & manny pacquiao top 20. Those are my favorite top 3 fighters.

I like your top 5 list.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Burner c'mon dog, when you look at him all you can think of is Henry Armstrong because of the ''small guy beating big guys'' just like Armstrong did in his days.

you can't front.

Armstrong didnt have the luxury of "picking" out which champs he wanted to face.

Also bro give me a call when Pac defends his WW title 19 times.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

you are a ****ing ******. please stop pretending to be a expert. pacquiao is definitely, justifiably, & righteously comparable to henry armstrong.

You must judge pacquiao by today's standard.

There's a reason why people much smarter than you who went to college whose opinion matter, & who get paid to write about boxng compare the two.

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Yes and David Haye is comparable to Joe Louis.

[syphillis]

Above Floyd...

[myooosic]

one one person has posted an actual list..the rest get defensive and hurle insults..lol

u have a point... how to see where manny is on the list if u dont post an actual list LOL

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Armstrong didnt have the luxury of "picking" out which champs he wanted to face.

Also bro give me a call when Pac defends his WW title 19 times.

all you do is front your fake ass boxing knowledge. you have to judge according to today's standard.

The best MOST CREDIBLE ATG list is the one where perfect balance of resume, skill, talent, & accomplishment.

the pac vs armstrong comparison comes from armstrong holding many diffrent titles in many different weights, their relative size, their all action style, & their success beating much bigger men.

Stop trying to be too technical & literal in comparisons. There's a reason why much smarter men than you who get paid to write about boxing compare the two.

& its justified.

[BennyST]

Top 20 for me.

If he fights Floyd and beats him he goes to #15.

He's sitting around the top twenty for me at the moment. If he beats Floyd that's the only way he can get close to the top ten in my opinion. For me, unless he is going to beat the only other guy who could be considered an ATG, you can't reach the top ten. His weight accomplishment get him very close along with his excellent resume, but beating guys he is meant to beat easily isn't a feat worthy of moving him into the top ten. When was the last time he was in an even fight or an underdog that was meant to lose against another great fighter on the same type of win streak he has had? Oscar? Well, Oscar wasn't an accomplishment worthy of much at all considering he had lost 50% of his fights in the last five or six years. It hasn't been since Marquez that he's had a fight that was 50/50 and unless he's fighting guys who are an actual challenge and showing greatness themselves where is the greatness? Don't say "Beating big guys" because it's been done by a hell of a lot of fighters, who often won when they were meant to lose. Not won fights against bigger guys who were meant to lose the fight. That's my only beef at the moment with people putting him in the top ten. When was the last time he beat someone who hadn't lost a fight in years and can also be considered an ATG that would be an even fight?

Beating fighters who you are meant to beat and who are said to have next to no chance is not top ten worthy. Beating bigger guys is great and puts him right up there, but beating bigger guys he's meant to beat just doesn't cut it as a top ten ATG. Beating a bigger guy for an eighth title in a weight class that bigger guy wasn't even meant to be a contender in doesn't make you a top ten fighter.

He just needs that one fight against the only fighter that will be even with him. It's great to beat guys who are decent fighters and all, but until you are beating guys who you are probably meant to lose against or that are even, hard, close fights you don't get into the top ten.

The reason he makes it as high as he does is not so much because of his resume, which is brilliant but not good enough to put him in the top ten, but his weight accomplishments. He doesn't have that one win against another prime ATG that can put him up above 15-10.

His greatest win still is Barrera. You can bring in other 'name' fighters that will make it to the HOF, like Oscar, but beating Oscar at that point is just not a good reason to get him further up. To get to the top ten he'd have to have the only other guy that can make a case for being an ATG on his resume as a win. What he has done otherwise isn't enough to put him in the top ten.

What's funny is that people are using the Marg win as a reason and huge amazing accomplishment, while forgetting that Pac was a huge favourite and was meant to beat him exactly as he did. That's not a great accomplishment. Excellent fight and good win, but top ten worthy? I don't think so. If you do what you are meant to do, what makes it so great? If he had fought the Margarito that had just finished beating Cotto and as such would probably have been an underdog, then I can understand putting him up toward ten. He was meant to easily beat and knock out Margarito though. Having accomplishments that you are meant to have, guys that you should beat on your resume doesn't equal an amazing accomplishment. Beating a guy who is bigger, but who is also meant to beat you and is the big favourite is a great accomplishment worthy of jumping into the realms of the top ten ATG's, but beating a bigger guy who is very, very beatable and is himself the huge underdog that was meant to lose....well, it's not really the thing that will put him up there.