Barrera-PAC 2 or PAC-EM 3? which mexican boxer went out on his shield?

[Evil Abed]

Marco's goal was to last 12 rounds...i think going 12 was a bigger goal than winning the fight

Erik on the other hand, got caught up in a firefight...he tried to go toe to toe and when he had enough, he gave up...


i have more respect for someone who at least tried

Well put.

I completely agree.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

No Arguello was semi ***ing concious there is a diffrence! Seriously you really think that arguello or Morales had enough wits about them to sit there and actually make a decision on weather or not to continue?


You do know that they were getting punched in the head by future hall of fame fighters right?

Arguello has said himself that he consciously decided not to get up. If your own powers of perception are not so keen, will Alexis' own testimony satisfy you?


You're taking the defence of these guys to an over-sensitive extreme. I'm not criticizing them.

[100%BoXeOAzTeKa]

It's the same story as Pryor-Arguello II, to cite another big fight in history where the same thing happened. Arguello could've gotten up, but he knew what he would've gotten for it. His will and his heart were broken.

I hate to say it of Morales, but the same happened to him over the course of that trilogy - his will and heart were broken, he knew there was nothing to get off the canvas for except self-annihilative glory and so he stayed there. He'd been in many wars, though, was burned out and running on empty. I don't see any dishonor in his refusal to fight on, but only find sadness that it had to go down that way.

Well put my friend.

[Twako]

Marco's goal was to last 12 rounds...i think going 12 was a bigger goal than winning the fight

Erik on the other hand, got caught up in a firefight...he tried to go toe to toe and when he had enough, he gave up...


i have more respect for someone who at least tried

true.

but maybe we can think of it this way too.

that MAB fought more wisely. he knew he couldn't outgun PAC, so he played it safe HOPING he'd catch him later and probably win it too. he really wasnt on his bike totally, he gave in to some exchanges and almost paid dearly on two occassions. could we count that also as 'trying'?

i'm not justifying what MAB did more than EM, but just trying to open up other points of view.

[pistol whip]

Arguello has said himself that he consciously decided not to get up. If your own powers of perception are not so keen, will Alexis' own testimony satisfy you?


You're taking the defence of these guys to an over-sensitive extreme. I'm not criticizing them.

really never heard anything like this before? Can you provide a link or something??

[-MAKAVELLI-]

true.

but maybe we can think of it this way too.

that MAB fought more wisely. he knew he couldn't outgun PAC, so he played it safe HOPING he'd catch him later and probably win it too. he really wasnt on his bike totally, he gave in to some exchanges and almost paid dearly on two occassions. could we count that also as 'trying'?

i'm not justifying what MAB did more than EM, but just trying to open up other points of view.

perhaps



but for this fight fan; going balls out >> playing it safe and 'hoping'

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

really never heard anything like this before? Can you provide a link or something??

I saw Arguello make remarks to that effect in one (or possibly more) out of a bunch of documentaries I've seen that referred to the Pryor-Arguello fights down the years.

Give me a few days to search through my archives and rewatch some stuff - when I find what I'm referring to, I'll upload it to youtube and send you a link.

[pistol whip]

I saw Arguello make remarks to that effect in one (or possibly more) out of a bunch of documentaries I've seen that referred to the Pryor-Arguello fights down the years.

Give me a few days to search through my archives and rewatch some stuff - when I find what I'm referring to, I'll upload it to youtube and send you a link.

Yes please becasue if he did indeed say that I am willing to eat crow. But I still wont call him a quitter. Did he get the fight beat out of him? Yes! but a quitter? Hell ***ing no!

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Yes please becasue if he did indeed say that I am willing to eat crow. But I still wont call him a quitter. Did he get the fight beat out of him? Yes! but a quitter? Hell ***ing no!

No problem, man. You don't even have to eat crow, it is what it is. I'll start looking through some stuff tomorrow, nudge me in a few days if I've fallen asleep.

[BOLLOCKS]

Morales' goal was to quit early and takes his millions home.