Comments Thread For: Haye: Drop The Slave Contract and I'll Fight a Klitschko

[Forza]

haye has all the tools to beat either K bro except for the mental game. Haye is mentally weak and if the fight wasn't going his way he would fold.

[Dave Rado]

haye has all the tools to beat either K bro except for the mental game. Haye is mentally weak and if the fight wasn't going his way he would fold.

He's already folded.

[crillz]

The real reason:

Haye can make far more money by fighting Audley first. It's a no risk, very high reward fight. The 50/50 deal to fight a Klitschko will still be on the table in 2011. But when he fights a Klitschko and gets beaten, his gravy train will end and he will have to retire.

The reason he gave:

He claims that Wlad's TV deal with RTL is not the best German TV deal that was on offer (which is true, because Wlad has rejected going down the PPV route in Germany); and says that because the size of the pie is smaller than it need be, Haye should get well over 50% of the total pie.

His exact words were:

"If you give me 50% MAXIMUM of all of the territories [i.e. if Wlad were to renege on his TV contract with RTL and sign a more lucrative contract with a satellite PPV provider], of all the ticket sales....the fight is going to happen. He didn't want that to happen. The reason being, he's tied into a TV contract. He's got a multi-fight deal with RTL, a German television network. I know there's more money to be had in Germany because I've been talking to the television networks and there's more money to be had," Haye said. "He's not willing to put the maximum from his territory into the pot. I'm doing that. He's not doing that and that's totally unacceptable for me.""

quick question though, does the deal with Klitschko and RTL mean that even with 50-50 Haye will make less than what he could make if they just do it on a different network? I guess what I'm asking is if he fought Wladimir or Vitali threw the German based RTL would he be making a substantially less amount for the same exact fight he could make much more in by just taking it somewhere else?

[Dave Rado]

quick question though, does the deal with Klitschko and RTL mean that even with 50-50 Haye will make less than what he could make if they just do it on a different network? I guess what I'm asking is if he fought Wladimir or Vitali threw the German based RTL would he be making a substantially less amount for the same exact fight he could make much more in by just taking it somewhere else?

If the Klitschkos were with a German satellite TV broadcaster which used PPV then the total purse would be higher and therefore 50% of the total purse would be higher. Both fighters would therefore earn more. But (a) it's not clear whether the Klitschkos could ditch their multi-fight contract with RTL even if they wanted to, (b) they don't want to, it would mean far fewer Germans being able to see the fight on television; and what contracts they negotiate with German TV is none of Haye's business. No fighter in the history of boxing has ever asked an opponent to ditch his TV contract.

It's a storm in a teacup in any case, as the German TV money is well under a third of the total purse, taking into account the gate, the worldwide TV money from more than 100 countries and the sponsorship. As things stand, Haye will get several times more for this fight than for any other fight he could have, and his attitude combines extraordinary hubris and extraordinary cheek, and is clearly just an excuse not to fight them yet because he wanted to cash out against some weak opponents before taking a fight he expects to lose.

The Klitschkos have ruled the division for many years and have cleaned it out, whereas Haye struggled to sc**** an extremely narrow victory over the only top 10 Heavyweight he has ever fought. The idea that he is in a position to dictate what German TV contracts the Klitschkos are allowed to have is just laughable.

[crillz]

If the Klitschkos were with a German satellite TV broadcaster which used PPV then the total purse would be higher and therefore 50% of the total purse would be higher. Both fighters would therefore earn more. But (a) it's not clear whether the Klitschkos could ditch their multi-fight contract with RTL even if they wanted to, (b) they don't want to, it would mean far fewer Germans being able to see the fight; and what contracts they negotiate with German TV is none of Haye's business. No fighter in the history of boxing has ever asked an opponent to ditch his TV contract.

in the sole interest of fairness don't you think it's fair for Haye to be upset that he has to make substantially less for a fight he can make much more from just because of his opponents situation? from the way it sounds it looks like he might end up making more against Harrison than he might against a Klitschko and that's absurd you feel me, it's pretty unfair that Haye has to settle for much less than what's available to him solely because of a situation his opponent is in, that's not very fair to him because it's not his fault that they want more Germans to watch it's costing him food off his dinner table

[Dave Rado]

in the sole interest of fairness don't you think it's fair for Haye to be upset that he has to make substantially less for a fight he can make much more from just because of his opponents situation? from the way it sounds it looks like he might end up making more against Harrison than he might against a Klitschko and that's absurd you feel me, it's pretty unfair that Haye has to settle for much less than what's available to him solely because of a situation his opponent is in, that's not very fair to him because it's not his fault that they want more Germans to watch it's costing him food off his dinner table

He would not be settling for less than what's available to him, he would be settling for exactly what is available to him, which is several times more than he will make from the Audley fight, when you take into account the gate (which would be for more than 60,000 fans); the worldwide TV rights, including a huge HBO contribution and contributions from more than 100 other countries; the sponsorship money, which would on its own be several million; and the UK PPV, which would certainly break British PPV records by a massive margin.

And he would be making exactly the same as Wlad would be making, and if you seriously think he should make more than someone who has cleared out the division and convincingly beaten 10 top 10 Heavyweights, when he has so far only fought and only very narrowly beaten one top 10 Heavyweight, then words fail me. If you seriously think that, you are nothing more than a fanboy and your opinion is worthless.

You seem to be saying that a challenger has the right to dictate what contracts a champion should be allowed to negotiate for himself, which is outrageous. And it would be completely unprecedented in the whole of boxing history.

Do you seriously think 20 million German fans should be denied the opportunity to watch the fight on free to air television just so that a contender with a very questionable Heavyweight resume can make let's say $22 million instead of $20 million? When he would already be making exactly the same as Wlad, which is far more than his resume justifies?

Based on his resume, 25% for Haye would be more than fair. He was offered more because he talks the talk, not because of anything he has done in the ring. If he genuinely wanted to fight Wlad this year he would have jumped at 50%. He went into the negotiations in May claiming up front that he would accept 50%, and nothing else, obviously believing then that he would be offered less, because he deserves less. To his horror, Wlad offered him exactly the terms he had asked for, which he had not been expecting. He didn't want to fight him this year, because he knows (or at the minimum strongly suspects) that when he fights him, it will be his last fight, and he wants to milk his paper title in some low risk fights first.

So he pulled out of the negotiations, claiming he hadn't been given enough time, and said that Wlad should fight Povetkin instead. This was after Wlad had asked the IBF for permission to fight Haye instead of Povetkin, who was Wlad's mandatory at the time, and the IBF had agreed that he could do so, but had set a deadline by when the contract had to be signed, and Haye subsequently claimed the deadline was too short.

He then went completely silent, stopped giving any interviews, stopped answering the phone, and it took him almost two months to come up with the RTL excuse.

He will never be offered a better deal to fight the K bros than he's already been offered and he knows it. The choice isn't between some hypothetical higher figure he claims ought to be on offer and the current offer. The choice is between fighting a Klitschko or not fighting a Klitschko.

I'm done with this conversation. Anyone who still doesn't see what Haye's game is is just a fanboy.

[BritishBoxing92]

David Haye has once again attacked the contract demands of the Klitschko brothers, Vitali and Wladimir. He continues to claim the two brothers are making unreasonable demands in the contracts presented to him.

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rematch clause aint always a bad idea....and how can it be counted as a slave contract if its 60/40 to winner? 50/50 is fair enough but haye really needs to fight klits after his fight with harrison (if he wins which im sure he will) but he really needs to start backing up half the **** which he comes out with or else he is gonna look like an idiot..

[dvb]

if the klitchkos had more money from thier tv revenue,

and haye said he wanted a split from thier tv because he gets less from his,

would that be fair?.

I dont see its 50/50 if haye gets less from the klits. pot of tv money,

and the klits get more from Hayes pot of tv money?.

Why dont they all settle it with the winner takes more of the rewards?.

tbh,maybe we should all shut up,we all just talking speculation and whats been said by both sides.None of us have seen the actual contracts so we dont no the absolute truth in it all!.

they will all fight and beat their mandatories then fight next year im sure.

no matter how much less one might make from these fights,they will still make way more than vs anyone else but each other,and should swollow greed pride and respect and just want to get in the ring and sort out whos the best!,then the best can make money of his fame,do a big george and make a grill or some other buiness when they retire!.lol.

[Joeyzagz]

I think fans are finally beginning to realize just how sneaky these K2 guys are with these slave contracts.

Everyone is telling the exact same story.