Juanma's Point Deduction

[Ganondorf]

I understand that,but as a whole fight,Juanma didn't catch a break from the ref,Marquez did!!A point was deducted from Juanma,in a round he lost,that's 10-8,there is no way that helped him IMO!!

True statement that Juanma did not catch a break from the referee all night. What we disagree on is whether or not the break prevented Lopez from being finished by Rafa. I definitely think there is a good chance that Marquez would have KO'd Juanma in that (4th I think??) round had this not occurred.

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rafa marquez was only good for 3-4 rounds. after that, his punches went soft.

thats about what i expected too.... he'd fight with pride after that but it was inevitable


i think juanma learned a lot from this fight.... good SHOWTIME card!

[Ganondorf]

True statement that Juanma did not catch a break from the referee all night. Where we disagree on is whether or not the break prevented Lopez from being finished by Rafa. I definitely think there is a good chance that Marquez would have KO'd Juanma in that (4th I think??) round had this not occurred.

No excuses though. Juanma fought a great fight, showed chin and heart, and I'm not disappointed to see him win even though I had money on Rafa! LOL

[HaglerSteelChin]

True statement that Juanma did not catch a break from the referee all night. Where we disagree on is whether or not the break prevented Lopez from being finished by Rafa. I definitely think there is a good chance that Marquez would have KO'd Juanma in that (4th I think??) round had this not occurred.

Lopez never STOPPED throwing punches. He kept fighting and the point deduction was like 30-40 seconds after the punch.

This not Pacquiao-Hussein Round 4 where Pac WENT DOWN, and a Pinoy referee gave a long count than refuse to seperate the fighters, than took a point away from Hussein to give Pac time to recover. That was much more an example of a guy in ***** street, Lopez was not in ***** street, but he did have Marquez on ***** street several times during the fight

[Ganondorf]

Stop taking the drugs you are taking as you are having ILLUSSIONS. LOPEZ NEVER WOBBLED OR WENT DOWN. IN FACT, THE ONE PUNCH THAT BRIEFLY STAGGERED HIM WAS ABOUT 40 SECONDS BEFORE THE DEDUCTION.

I saw a replay this morning, Lopez pounced his gloves and kept fighting. Marquez got MURDERED plain and simple, In fact he kept landing that same overhand right and Lopez ate the punches, he couldnt hurt Lopez who was this "glass chin" guy.

Lopez is now 11-0 against Mexicans, a difficult pill for some to swallow but that's life.

Please define "ILLUSSIONS." Listen smart@**, I have clearly stated on several occasions that Juanma was impressive in his victory and I have no bias. Juanma is the future, Rafa is the past. Lopez was pounding his gloves together alright but he was really hurt.

P.S.- I'm not having "illusions."

[Puck]

Tony Weeks did a great job on pausing the round. The safety of the fighters is the referee's job. "Protect yourselves at all times."

[HaglerSteelChin]

Please define "ILLUSSIONS." Listen smart@**, I have clearly stated on several occasions that Juanma was impressive in his victory and I have no bias. Juanma is the future, Rafa is the past. Lopez was pounding his gloves together alright but he was really hurt.

P.S.- I'm not having "illusions."

Watch Round 4 Pacquiao vs Hussein, that is a round that one can argue the Ref saved a fighter. I didn't see anything close to that yesterday. Barrera-Morales wobbled each other a 100 times in 36 rounds, but neither fighter knocked the other guy out. Oscar Larios had Pac very hurt early on, but with 2 minutes left Pac survived the round.

I tend to give fighters the benefit of the doubt unless they are wobbling around, cant throw punches, and are getting hit indiscriminately. I didnt see any signs of those three things, and seriously doubt that Lopez was close to being stopped.

[Bushbaby]

True statement that Juanma did not catch a break from the referee all night. What we disagree on is whether or not the break prevented Lopez from being finished by Rafa. I definitely think there is a good chance that Marquez would have KO'd Juanma in that (4th I think??) round had this not occurred.

I kinda figured this is what you were trying to get at!!But Marquez wasn't going to stop Juanma at anytime!!Hit him with a couple good shots,in a great fight but the truth is that if anyone was going to get stopped it was Marquez,please stop looking for excuse,the younger fresher fighter was going to win regardless of how anyone wants to turn this!!

[Ganondorf]

Watch Round 4 Pacquiao vs Hussein, that is a round that one can argue the Ref saved a fighter. I didn't see anything close to that yesterday. Barrera-Morales wobbled each other a 100 times in 36 rounds, but neither fighter knocked the other guy out. Oscar Larios had Pac very hurt early on, but with 2 minutes left Pac survived the round.

I tend to give fighters the benefit of the doubt unless they are wobbling around, cant throw punches, and are getting hit indiscriminately. I didnt see any signs of those three things, and seriously doubt that Lopez was close to being stopped.

Your point is well taken that the damage had occurred approximately 30 seconds before Weeks halted the action, and maybe Lopez had recovered enough to make it out of the round without interruption, but I am not 100% sure of this.

[Ganondorf]

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I kinda figured this is what you were trying to get at!!But Marquez wasn't going to stop Juanma at anytime!!Hit him with a couple good shots,in a great fight but the truth is that if anyone was going to get stopped it was Marquez,please stop looking for excuse,the younger fresher fighter was going to win regardless of how anyone wants to turn this!!

Pay attention, though... I said there is A CHANCE that it could have influenced the outcome of the fight. Too many people are speculating that somehow I'm claiming that there was a big conspiracy to give Puerto Rico the victory over Mexico centered around a plot to have Tony Weeks save Lopez.

You guys blow things way out of proportion!!