Would the Klitschkos be more respected if they fought less often?

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  • Toe Injury
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    Would the Klitschkos be more respected if they fought less often?

    You read down the list of the top 20 heavyweights in the world today and just about all of them have been beaten by a Klitschko. The handful who haven't, like Povetkin, Haye, and Valuev, pretty blatantly ducked them even though they were offered generous revenue shares.

    Just about all of them were briefly hyped as ushering in a new era or being a dangerous style matchup for the Klitschkos. Just about all of them were humiliated on fight night. Over time the hype became less enthusiastic. At this point nobody even bothers to set themselves up for the disappointment.

    And as a result, they're all called weak competition and their careers fade into oblivion after losing to either brother.

    Even though I'm personally glad it hasn't been the case and that the Klitschkos have pursued fights with nearly everyone quite aggressively, what if they didn't? What if they were... More like Floyd and let a name rot around for years and years before fighting them, winning, and having an epic "I told you so" moment?

    David Haye, if he finally takes on a Klitschko, will be a hugely anticipated fight. Why? Not because of a boring decision over Valuev and ugly victory over an old, chubby, grey-haired Ruiz who looked like he fell over from exhaustion, not because he's really wielding a resume any more impressive than older Klitschko rivals, but because Haye has dragged it on for so long and focused so much on his own PR. He has the UK convinced he's, to quote a clueless British journalist we all laughed at last year, "the new Muhummad Ali". He's aware that had he fought one of them as soon as he had a belt, it would have been a minor story and he would have become another "exposed" fighter, another statistic on their record.

    This is especially true for the guys who ONLY lost to a Klitschko, like Chagaev and Sultan. What if they had sat on their belts for another couple years and put down challengers and become bigger celebrities before the Klitschkos took the fights? Chagaev for example had a very US-friendly fighting style, aggressive and fast, more of an old-school bully than a modern giant. He could have spent a couple years on PPV cards and racked up a highlight reel. But how many Americans (truthfully) saw ANY of his fights OTHER than Klitschko? To them he's yet another European gibberish name padding their record, another journeyman clown who "didn't even train" and "didn't even try". In reality he may have dominated the division if the brothers were never born, or been in a high-profile war with another undefeated-except-for-against-Klitschko fighter. But he just fell off the map before he had a chance.

    As odd as it seems, guys like Haye and Povetkin remaining undefeated and putting off their title shots might be the best thing that could possibly happen to the Klitschko legacy; as long as the fights eventually actually take place.
    Last edited by Toe Injury; 11-04-2010, 10:19 PM.
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    if they fought less they would get less respected. thats why i love those guys coz they fight ever few months. its great for the hw division

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      They would be respected LESS if they fought less often.

      With each win they are somewhat grudgingly receiving a bit MORE recognition.

      There's lots of people left to fight: Adamek, Haye, Povetkin, Dimitrenko, Solis, and in a year or so Helenius, Pulev, etc.

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        welcome to greatness..no matter what u do you'll be hated

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          #5
          Originally posted by infamous larryx
          welcome to greatness..no matter what u do you'll be hated
          they are both top 10 atg hw. vitali is top 5 imo. but ali beats em both

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            By hardcore fans who appreciate their consistency and actually WATCH these fights, fighting more often is a good thing.

            But for breaking through in a mainstream context and making people realize THIS is the heavyweight champion, know his face, have nightmares about him, I honestly think they would have had way bigger careers had they let cheesy feuds linger for a couple years, wait for their opponents to rack up televised wins, THEN put them down.

            The last few years of both of their careers have essentially consisted of exterminating the opposition as soon as it becomes visible, before anyone has a chance to get to know that opposition, therefore that opposition looks "weak" to the untrained eye. To the mainstream "HW sucks" crowd, Wlad and Vitali are just standing in an arcade just whacking anonymous moles with a mallet.

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              They would be more respected if the HW div wasn't total crap.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Gorilla Dogs
                they are both top 10 atg hw. vitali is top 5 imo. but ali beats em both

                Without going by some fantasy h2h match that can never be proven, how is Vitally a top 5 ATG? His resume certainly doesn't warrant it.

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                  Originally posted by JAB5239

                  Without going by some fantasy h2h match that can never be proven, how is Vitally a top 5 ATG? His resume certainly doesn't warrant it.
                  who has legitamitely beat him? he out boxed lennox lewis ..... he had to quit against byrd.



                  he has beaten every comer in the hw division. there is a reason why he didnt rematch klitschko

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                    Originally posted by Reach
                    By hardcore fans who appreciate their consistency and actually WATCH these fights, fighting more often is a good thing.

                    But for breaking through in a mainstream context and making people realize THIS is the heavyweight champion, know his face, have nightmares about him, I honestly think they would have had way bigger careers had they let cheesy feuds linger for a couple years, wait for their opponents to rack up televised wins, THEN put them down.

                    The last few years of both of their careers have essentially consisted of exterminating the opposition as soon as it becomes visible, before anyone has a chance to get to know that opposition, therefore that opposition looks "weak" to the untrained eye. To the mainstream "HW sucks" crowd, Wlad and Vitali are just standing in an arcade just whacking anonymous moles with a mallet.

                    That is no fault of either brother, but of the mainstream who anoint fighters as viable challenges before they've actually accomplished anything more than beating another overhyped no hoper. Im sorry, but a string of victories over journey man and a win over one opponent ranked by one ABC org (or even all) doesn't warrant a serious challenge in my opinion. If fighters would remove more doubt by fighting against top tier op more often the bros would get much more credit than they do. Blame politics, promoters or whatever, but no serious fan should give no credit to beating unproven fighters. That said, I have no doubt they would still be the best today. That doesn't mean they should get a free pass historically.
                    Last edited by JAB5239; 11-04-2010, 11:18 PM.

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