Comments Thread For: Klitschko Defense Deal; Sulaiman Resigns, Then Returns

[Dave Rado]

Yes my friend, you are describing the pretzel logic that the Klitschko detractors so often engage in. A world beater before the fight becomes a tomato can the minute a K-Bro destroys him. And there certainly were MANY people, here and on ESB especially, picking Gomez to destroy Vitali, inflated by Gomez's constant trash talking. The minute he lost badly, he was called a "bum" and a "blown-up cruiser" by many of these same people. I expect the same thing to happen with Solis, which is why at this stage of Vitali's career that fight is a waste of time. Solis will be called just another fat boy and a joke the minute Vitali wastes him.

Let's instead see a battle which will excite people, which is Adamek vs Vitali @ MSG. That would be a HUGE fight, drawing many Ukrainian, Russian and Polish fans from the New York/New Jersey area. It would be an event that the HW division really needs.

You're acting like anyone is picking Solis to beat Vitali. No one is. Some people are saying that he's more of a live opponent than Vitali's last couple, which he is, but that's it.

But Adamek is being seriously over-rated as a Heavyweight, and I'd narrowly pick Solis to beat Adamek. Neither would stand any chance against either Klitschko.

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lol @ trashing Solis while defending Shannon Briggs and Kevin Johnson to high heaven.

I don't care how fat or unmotivated Solis is...he is still leagues better than either of the above two fighters.
The pretzel logic of the Klit huggers is amazing to see.

And when Vitali massacres him you'll be telling us he was a fat piece of **** all along.

[Dave Rado]

And when Vitali massacres him you'll be telling us he was a fat piece of **** all along.

Vitali will humiliate Solis, but Solis would humiliate Briggs and Sosnowski.

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You're acting like anyone is picking Solis to beat Vitali. No one is. Some people are saying that he's more of a live opponent than Vitali's last couple, which he is, but that's it.

But Adamek is being seriously over-rated as a Heavyweight, and I'd narrowly pick Solis to beat Adamek. Neither would stand any chance against either Klitschko.

Don't believe me, ask Ross Greenburg at HBO: he wants to feature a K-Bro
versus Adamek on his network. He has zero interest in a K-Bro vs Solis.

If you care about boxing, you should want Adamek vs Klitschko at MSG, because it will be a huge, huge fight in this area and will get worldwide interest.

As for no-one picking Solis to beat Vitali, I don't know about in this thread, but all kinds of people are picking him to win, just read the ESB boards. It's the Gomez syndrome all over again. They never learn....

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Vitali will humiliate Solis, but Solis would humiliate Briggs and Sosnowski.

The only thing Solis is threatening to is a stack of cheeseburgers.

[Dave Rado]

As for no-one picking Solis to beat Vitali, I don't know about in this thread, but all kinds of people are picking him to win, just read the ESB boards. It's the Gomez syndrome all over again. They never learn....

I don't know what ESB is but I haven't seen anyone on boxingscene pick Solis, and I haven't seen a single reputable journalist say that Solis has any chance.

But I seriously don't understand the Adamek hype. Adamek was schooled at Light Heavyweight by Dawson. At Cruiserweight he won some exciting fights against very limited opponents. At Heavyweight, after two meaningless fights, he beat Arreola very narrowly on the cards, after Arreola injured his left hand in the fifth round. Arreola was giving him all sorts of problems prior to the injury, and even with the injury, all Arreola had to do was win one additional round, and he'd have got the decision.

Then in his next fight, while outboxing a shot Michael Grant for much of the fight, he looked scared for much of the time, and at one point was virtually out on his feet. And he clearly doesn't have real heavyweight power, based on those two fights.

He's now fighting a bum with a 33-6 record, presumably because he doesn't want to risk his huge forthcoming payday against one of the Klitschkos by facing a fringe contender who might derail the gravy train.

I doubt Adamek would beat Solis.

As for why HBO is interested, I imagine it's because Adamek has a huge number of Polish fans in the US as well as in Europe, who will pay good money to see the fight, rather than because anyone knowledgeable seriously rates his chances.

That said, Adamek has heart, and some skill, and is often entertaining, and he is a big step up from Vitali's last two opponents. But I think he's being seriously over-rated by many, and as I say, I would narrowly pick Solis to beat Adamek if they were to fight each other.

Edit: I've just realised what ESB stands for. I never read those forums because when I've looked at them, they've always been trite and ignorant. Boxingscene's NSB has quite a few ignorant posters as well, but on average it has far more knowledgeable posters than the ones I've seen on East side boxing. So I wouldn't take the slightest notice of the posts there - I don't know why you bother to read them.

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I don't know what ESB is but I haven't seen anyone on boxingscene pick Solis, and I haven't seen a single reputable journalist say that Solis has any chance.

But I seriously don't understand the Adamek hype. Adamek was schooled at Light Heavyweight by Dawson. At Cruiserweight he won some exciting fights against very limited opponents. At Heavyweight, after two meaningless fights, he beat Arreola very narrowly on the cards, after Arreola injured his left hand in the fifth round. Arreola was giving him all sorts of problems prior to the injury, and even with the injury, all Arreola had to do was win one additional round, and he'd have got the decision.

Then in his next fight, while outboxing a shot Michael Grant for much of the fight, he looked scared for much of the time, and at one point was virtually out on his feet. And he clearly doesn't have real heavyweight power, based on those two fights.

He's now fighting a bum with a 33-6 record, presumably because he doesn't want to risk his huge forthcoming payday against one of the Klitschkos by facing a fringe contender who might derail the gravy train.

I doubt Adamek would beat Solis.

As for why HBO is interested, I imagine it's because Adamek has a huge number of Polish fans in the US as well as in Europe, who will pay good money to see the fight, rather than because anyone knowledgeable seriously rates his chances.

That said, Adamek has heart, and some skill, and is often entertaining, and he is a big step up from Vitali's last two opponents. But I think he's being seriously over-rated by many, and as I say, I would narrowly pick Solis to beat Adamek if they were to fight each other.

Edit: I've just realised what ESB stands for. I never read those forums because when I've looked at them, they've always been trite and ignorant. Boxingscene's NSB has quite a few ignorant posters as well, but on average it has far more knowledgeable posters than the ones I've seen on East side boxing. So I wouldn't take the slightest notice of the posts there - I don't know why you bother to read them.

I just rewatched Adamek vs Grant last weekend, and I don't recall him looking "scared" at any time. Adamek isn't scared of anyone. He did get rocked in the last round, however, and barely made it to the final bell.

Adamek is a dedicated athlete and has, as you say, lots of heart. If he fights a K-Bro at Madison Square Garden, it will be massive, with lots of Ukrainians and Russians from Brighton Beach and Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn, and lots of Poles from New Jersey. The HW division needs that fight. Solis, a disgustingly fat, disinterested Cuban, lacks heart and dedication, and his skills are eroding. I'm not sure he will even get by Ray Austin, so the whole point with him may be moot.

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And when Vitali massacres him you'll be telling us he was a fat piece of **** all along.

I'll give Vitali all the credit in the world if he massacres Solis. I have no problem doing that.

But it's pathetic how you guys will bend over backwards to praise all these cans that the brothers have been fighting lately yet can't find one single good thing to say about Solis.

I guess he short circuits your brain because giving him credit means admitting that the Klit's competition of late has been weak. And you just can't bring yourself to admit that.

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You're acting like anyone is picking Solis to beat Vitali. No one is. Some people are saying that he's more of a live opponent than Vitali's last couple, which he is, but that's it.

Rado gets it.

It's not even like I'm picking Solis to beat a Klitschko...I am not. All I'm saying is that he will be their toughest opponent in quite a while.

But even something as harmless as that is enough to get all the fanboys in a tizzy.

[Dave Rado]

I just rewatched Adamek vs Grant last weekend, and I don't recall him looking "scared" at any time. Adamek isn't scared of anyone.

We'll have to agree to disagree about that.

He did get rocked in the last round, however, and barely made it to the final bell.

Which, against a fighter whose last decent win was in 1999, is a bit worrying, is it not, if he is to be considered to be a serious title contender?

And you didn't respond to what I said about the Arreola fight. That fight is the only reason Adamek has a top 5 ranking, and yet I firmly believe that without the hand injury, he'd have lost that fight.

Adamek is a dedicated athlete and has, as you say, lots of heart. If he fights a K-Bro at Madison Square Garden, it will be massive, with lots of Ukrainians and Russians from Brighton Beach and Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn, and lots of Poles from New Jersey. The HW division needs that fight.

Your argument is based on admiring Adamek's dedication, and on the fact that the fight will attract a big crowd. I don't deny either. But I still don't think he'd beat Solis.

As for the MSG thing, if Wlad fights Adamek there in March, which I hope he will, that would be an equally big fight, and it would mean that both brothers would be fighting opponents in March who most neutral fans would consider to be live opponents, which would surely be a good thing for both them and for boxing. I don't see why anyone would want to complain about that.

Solis, a disgustingly fat, disinterested Cuban, lacks heart and dedication, and his skills are eroding.

I'm not sure he will even get by Ray Austin, so the whole point with him may be moot.

He lacks dedication, and to the extent that his skills are based on speed and footwork, they're eroding. He's still very skilled compared with most heavyweights, and has serious power. I've seen no evidence that he lacks heart. And as for not getting by Austin, do you fancy a bet on that?