Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[LeadUppercut]

Fighter, It amuses me that you have proudly given me your "bottom line" because.....

1.) you ignored hard evidence that Arum lied, that fact is not even debatable

2.) you ignored revelations from within Top Rank that explain the situation in full

3.) you ignored the fact there is absolutely NO REASON AT ALL for 6 people belonging to three independant organisations to call Bob Arum a liar for bull****ting about the negotiations, UNLESS HE DID BULL**** ABOUT THE NEGOTIATIONS..... they would just tell him to *** off, and that Mayweather is not fighting again this year, are you ******, why would they lie?

4.) you ignored the fact that Ellerbe, a close friend of Greenburg, stated that " one of them is lying, and we all know who that is " ..... I mean come on dude, do we have to paint you a picture here ?

5.) you ignored the fact that a fight of this magnitude could never be handled via a phone call from Greenburg, I mean come on.

Your "bottom line" was bull****, because it didn't explain this.....

When the following things occur simultaneously.....

* something bizarre happens

* as a result, everyone is pointing at Bob Arum and calling him a liar

* there is considerable financial gain at stake for Bob Arum to lie

* there is documented proof highlighting the fact that he did lie

* it is well known that he has been doing this for 40 years

..... you would have be either a naive fan-boy or a nut-hugger to deny it

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

THE DEADLINE WAS A SHAM !!
WHAT SORT OF NEGOTIATION HAS.....
" No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals " ???

Who the *** e-mails a ****ty offer that has already been rejected, leaves no room at all for any kind of negotiation..... no meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals..... NOTHING..... and call's that an official negotiation?

WTF you noobs ?

[AFighter4U]

I think that you have an agenda..... pac-boy

Which is funny, because this has nothing to do with Manny

Walk around with a box on your head if you wish, but I prefer not to be so gullible. You are a sucker if you think that Bob Arum played this straight up.

The thing is, I don't actually think you do. So, your bottom line is "conveniently" supporting your agenda, which is dishonest.

Clearly Arum lied, clearly there is a reason why, and so it is highly unlikely that anything played out as Arum has stated.

You are naive for thinking that a fight of this magnitude could be handled by a phone call from Greenburg, with no meetings/negotiations/etc.

I mean just look at this rubbish you posted.....
" Greenberg said the talks happened. And according to him, Floyd's side backed out for no apparent reason just when things were going well "

WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT ?

Because you think that Mayweather is " scared " of Manny?

GROW UP KID !!

So, even when faced with undeniable proof that Arum lied, even when EVERYBODY called Arum a liar, you still insist that the WHOLE reason that this situation occured is because Mayweather is scared of Manny..... oh yes, it would have nothing to do with the millions in extra revenue.

That sounds fkn ridiculous.

Tell me then genius, why did Arum lie ?

YOU GOT SETUP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

YOU GOT PLAYED.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

Yes, i agree its funny that you call me pac-boy when what we are discussing indeed has nothing at all to do with manny.

Why are you so obsessed with Bob arum lying? He lied and we are all in agreement of that fact.

Your problem is that you are so fixated with Arum's lie that you are no longer thinking clearly. Instead of focusing on arum's lies, just look and take time to process what Greenberg himself said and i quote him AGAIN:

"Both times, the fight was very close to being made. And, the second time around, you know, all that I can say is that you would have to ask Floyd Mayweather why the fight wasn't made. To this day, I really don't know why Floyd decided that he didn't want the fight any more in the fall," Greenburg said.

I'm not interjecting anything or making my own conclusions here. I'm QUOTING GREENBERG. I didn't put words into his mouth or even expressed my own opinion here. I SIMPLY REPEATED WHAT HE SAID.

You asked why Mayweather would back out of the fight.

I don't know why. (where on this entire discussion did i say that floyd was scared of pac?)

Nor does Greenberg. He said so himself.

The fact is, he backed out, for A REASON UNKNOWN TO GREENBERG.



YOU are the one making assumptions and conjectures and making all this fuss over things you feel don't make sense like why floyd would back out.

YOU are the one making so many complicated theories and inserting your own conclusions in this matter, totally ignoring the fact that it CONTRADICTS WHAT GREENBERG PLAINLY SAID.

YOU are the one stretching reality to fit your agenda.

Your head is so full of conspiracy theories about bob arum's lies that it can no longer absorb what greenberg said.

So what if arum lied. Does it in any way affect what Greenberg said? Greenberg said BOTH NEGOTIATIONS HAPPENED.

Whatever Bob said whether true or not WILL NOT CHANGE THAT FACT.

Let me repeat this assertion so hopefully i can get my point.

ALL ARUM'S LIES WILL NOT CHANGE THE STATEMENT OF GREENBERG THAT BOTH NEGOTIATIONS HAPPENED AND FLOYD WALKED AWAY FROM THE SECOND NEGOTIATION.

[LeadUppercut]

He lied and we are all in agreement of that fact.

IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT, THEN STOP BEING SO ******......
He is the only proven liar, and yet you conveniently choose to look elsewhere to see where the problem lies. That's why it is clear to me that you have an agenda, pac-boy.

WHY DID HE LIE?

AND WHY WOULD 6 DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT BELONG TO 3 DIFFERENT ORGANISATIONS ALL - COINCIDENTALLY - COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION?

Your problem is that you are so fixated with Arum's lie that you are no longer thinking clearly. Instead of focusing on arum's lies, just look and take time to process what Greenberg himself said and i quote him AGAIN:

DON'T BE AN IDIOT. YOU'RE TWISTING GREENBURG'S INVOLVEMENT, AND THEN ADVISING ME TO STOP FOCUSING ON THE PROVEN LIES OF BOB ARUM.

WHY WOULD ANYONE WITH HALF-A-BRAIN DO SUCH A THING?

Or should I say, why would anyone without an agenda do such a thing?

"Both times, the fight was very close to being made. And, the second time around, you know, all that I can say is that you would have to ask Floyd Mayweather why the fight wasn't made. To this day, I really don't know why Floyd decided that he didn't want the fight any more in the fall," Greenburg said.

I'm not interjecting anything or making my own conclusions here. I'm QUOTING GREENBERG. I didn't put words into his mouth or even expressed my own opinion here. I SIMPLY REPEATED WHAT HE SAID.

You are dishonest, because I QUOTED BOB ARUM, AND YET YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE IT forget opinion, Bob Arum clearly lied, and yet you, in your wisdom, choose to ignore that and go chase fairy-tales.

Why ?

Pac-boy

You asked why Mayweather would back out of the fight.

I don't know why. (where on this entire discussion did i say that floyd was scared of pac?)

Nor does Greenberg. He said so himself.

The fact is, he backed out, for A REASON UNKNOWN TO GREENBERG.

OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT GENIUS......
For no reason whatsoever..... Team Mayweather/GBP/Marley ALL lied and stated there was no negotiation, when there is clearly nothing to gain by doing so, and they could have simply said "*** off, we're not interested"..... and yet Arum, who coincidentally has a financial motive and is proven to have lied, is not at fault here? Wake up man, honestly.

And yet YOU are the one making assumptions and conjectures and making all this fuss over things you feel don't make sense like why floyd would back out.

I am trying to expose your agenda. You ignore a pile of facts with good motive, to go with an unlikely theory with no motive, thats a nut-hugger right there, just wondering why?

YOU are the one making so many complicated theories and inserting your own conclusions in this matter, totally ignoring the fact that it CONTRADICTS WHAT GREENBERG PLAINLY SAID.

YOU are the one stretching reality to fit your agenda.

Your head is so full of conspiracy theories about bob arum's lies that it can no longer absorb what greenberg said.

So what if arum lied. Does it in any way affect what Greenberg said? Greenberg said BOTH NEGOTIATIONS HAPPENED.


You are an idiot nut-hugger for admitting that Arum lied, and then accusing me of conspiracy theories Did you even realise what you said there?

Whatever Bob said whether true or not WILL NOT CHANGE THAT FACT.

Let me repeat this assertion so hopefully i can get my point.

ALL ARUM'S LIES WILL NOT CHANGE THE STATEMENT OF GREENBERG THAT BOTH NEGOTIATIONS HAPPENED AND FLOYD WALKED AWAY FROM THE SECOND NEGOTIATION.

The Bottom Line is this.....

Arum lied, so that he could justify more in-house fights for Manny, before the big payday vs Mayweather. Greenburg has just as much to gain from this, so smarten up..... I can't call you naive anymore, you are a dishonest fan-boy.

[LeadUppercut]

This post still stands, it has not yet been addressed. Explain to me why you choose to ignore the 5 points detailed below.

And then explain to me how you can admit that Bob Arum lied, and yet not put 2+2 together to figure out why.....

1.) you ignored hard evidence that Arum lied, that fact is not even debatable

2.) you ignored revelations from within Top Rank that explain the situation in full

3.) you ignored the fact there is absolutely NO REASON AT ALL for 6 people belonging to three independant organisations to call Bob Arum a liar for bull****ting about the negotiations, UNLESS HE DID BULL**** ABOUT THE NEGOTIATIONS..... they would just tell him to *** off, and that Mayweather is not fighting again this year, are you ******, why would they lie?

4.) you ignored the fact that Ellerbe, a close friend of Greenburg, stated that " one of them is lying, and we all know who that is " ..... I mean come on dude, do we have to paint you a picture here ?

5.) you ignored the fact that a fight of this magnitude could never be handled via a phone call from Greenburg, I mean come on.

Your "bottom line" was bull****, because it didn't explain this.....

When the following things occur simultaneously.....

* something bizarre happens

* as a result, everyone is pointing at Bob Arum and calling him a liar

* there is considerable financial gain at stake for Bob Arum to lie

* there is documented proof highlighting the fact that he did lie

* it is well known that he has been doing this for 40 years

..... you would have be either a naive fan-boy or a nut-hugger to deny it

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

THE DEADLINE WAS A SHAM !!
WHAT SORT OF NEGOTIATION HAS.....
" No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals " ???

Who the *** e-mails a ****ty offer that has already been rejected, leaves no room at all for any kind of negotiation..... no meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals..... NOTHING..... and call's that an official negotiation?

WTF you noobs ?

[LeadUppercut]

So, you admit that Arum lied ?

So you admit that Bob Arum lied about negotiating with GBP, and that the deadline was a sham.....

BUT YOU CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY 6 DIFFERENT PEOPLE, FROM 3 DIFFERENT ORGANISATIONS ALL STATED THAT "THERE WERE NO NEGOTIATIONS" ?

DO YOU THINK THAT BOTH SITUATIONS COULD BE CONNECTED?

I mean honestly.....
If Bob Arum lied about the negotiation and deadline, how the hell could you possibly question anyone else ?

LMAO

Seriously, I need to paint you a picture.

You will not add up 2 + 2, and get to 4.

WHY IS THAT?

[Dave Rado]

But it is fkn annoying to spend time writing a post to address somebody's question, only for them to (conveniently) completely ignore it.

No, I and others completely disagree with your interpretation of those articles - we didn't ignore them at all. But there is no point in continuing the discussion as it has descended into shouting, name calling, patronising statements, boring repetitiveness, and a dialogue of the deaf.

[LeadUppercut]

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

OK guys, let's step through this slowly, once and for all.....

Let's end this today.

FACT: Arum lied about the negotiations, and the deadline was a sham.....

Who disagree's with that ?

Come now, speak up, this is your chance.

WHO THINKS THAT ARUM NEGOTIATED WITH GBP AS HIS DEADLINE STATED?

[LeadUppercut]

No, I and others completely disagree with your interpretation of those articles - we didn't ignore them at all. But there is no point in continuing the discussion as it has descended into shouting, name calling, patronising statements, boring repetitiveness, and a dialogue of the deaf.

Sure, just do me one favor before you finish here.....
answer the question below, a one word answer is sufficient Dave, so please at least give me that. Yes, or no ?

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

OK guys, let's step through this slowly, once and for all.....

Let's end this today.

FACT: Arum lied about the negotiations, and the deadline was a sham.....

Who disagree's with that ?

Come now, speak up, this is your chance.

WHO THINKS THAT ARUM NEGOTIATED WITH GBP AS HIS DEADLINE STATED?

YES, OR NO?

[AFighter4U]

No, I and others completely disagree with your interpretation of those articles - we didn't ignore them at all. But there is no point in continuing the discussion as it has descended into shouting, name calling, patronising statements, boring repetitiveness, and a dialogue of the deaf.

I agree .

[dan-b]

Love the way this guy thinks he has a "strong case" just spamming the message board with the same posts, over and over.