Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[al-Xander]

Yes, they are. They need an absolute otherwise they are confused. As you will see in this thread; I have some Floyd Mayweather fanboy, demanding I read obscure quotes from Arum because he feels they vindicate "his boy's" actions. He's clearly a troll as he's repeatedly ignored the fact I don't care for this futile "debate" any longer.

I mean these guys gotta be kidding me. Here's P Will
who's been calling out Mayweather ever since I can
remember. The guy is literally begging by willing to go down
at 147. (Well, you can't blame these guys. It's like winning the
lottery when you're handed the big fight.)
Did Paul Williams get it? A big NO! Roger Mayweather has
already spoken about it. He said Paul and Sergio don't bring
anything to the table.

These guys don't call that ducking, do they?

[dan-b]

I mean these guys gotta be kidding me. Here's P Will
who's been calling out Mayweather ever since I can
remember. The guy is literally begging by willing to go down
at 147. (Well, you can't blame these guys. It's like winning the
lottery when you're handed the big fight.)
Well, did Paul Williams get it? A big NO! Roger Mayweather has
already spoken about it. He said Paul and Sergio don't bring
anything to the table.

Ah ha! But recognising that, my friend, would require some objectivity. Not gonna happen when you've got kids who think the Pac-May online flame war is actually something important.

[Xeraser]

It's funny that the guy who worked hard for this fight to happen speaks up and Floyd apologist can't handle the truth. Greenburg and HBO has every reason to make this fight. Apparently that COWARD Floyd once again revealed his true intention. He never really wanted to fight Pacquiao

Floyd has all his excuses on his COWARDICE. When he said Margarito has no PPV, his apologist went to Google and became accountants and call it a smart business decision. And when he temporary retired himself to avoid Cotto, his apologist became Family experts and called it a break he needed for himself and family. Then now his OST excuses and need a vacation excuses, then his apologist became drug experts and guidance counselors.

I find it funny that the fights that most boxing fans wanted to see for Floyd to truly validated his true greatness did not happen. Instead all we hear are excuses why it did not happen and Floyd apologists spend a lot of time validating his excuses. In the end, it doesn't even matter. Floyd is a COWARD. You can spin in and twist everything but the end will always justify the means.

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I mean these guys gotta be kidding me. Here's P Will
who's been calling out Mayweather ever since I can
remember. The guy is literally begging by willing to go down
at 147. (Well, you can't blame these guys. It's like winning the
lottery when you're handed the big fight.)
Did Paul Williams get it? A big NO! Roger Mayweather has
already spoken about it. He said Paul and Sergio don't bring
anything to the table.

These guys don't call that ducking, do they?

No because Paul Williams is too tall and Sergio Williams is a southpaw as apologist would say.

The funny thing is Greenburg even said everything was done until Floyd made a b1tch turn and he can't find any reason why. I wish he was candid and make a politically incorrect remarks calling Floyd a COWARD. But they have a ventured interest on Floyd.

[al-Xander]

No because Paul Williams is too tall and Sergio Williams is a southpaw as apologist would say.

That's gotta be another freaking joke. Here's Manny
about to fight a tall guy and they say size in this case
doesn't matter. Funny thing is they're also saying Marg
doesn't even use his height. What?! Okay, what about
his reach? These people can't be serious.

[GRUSTLER]

I mean these guys gotta be kidding me. Here's P Will
who's been calling out Mayweather ever since I can
remember. The guy is literally begging by willing to go down
at 147. (Well, you can't blame these guys. It's like winning the
lottery when you're handed the big fight.)
Did Paul Williams get it? A big NO! Roger Mayweather has
already spoken about it. He said Paul and Sergio don't bring
anything to the table.

These guys don't call that ducking, do they?

Well.... Paul Williams has been calling out Manny Pacquiao
as well. It's even been recent talks from Bob Arum about
how the size difference between the two would be too much.
When the press asked Manny would he be interested in fighting
Paul Williams and Pacquiao said "NO" and that was a article
on here last week. Nobody is trying to cosign Floyd all the
time but it is just too much on his shoulders when Manny
should hold some of the weight too. That's goes for everyone.
There are guys calling Manny Pacquiao out left and right and
he is not jumping to fight them either.

[GRUSTLER]

You mean Shane talked to Manny personally? Don't
you know that Mosley is a GBP guy? Is it that easy
to make a fight? Just beg for the fight and you're
suppose to get it?
Is this what you're saying here? No politics should be
involved, Top Rank in-house fighting should be ignored,
and all those complications. Just beg and it will be handed
to you. Is that how simple minded you guys are?
This is just plain nitpicking to me.

Come on man. Shane just beat Antonio Margarito for the WW
title that Margarito won from Miguel Cotto. Mosley was looking
for a fight and Pac was looking for a fight. Why did Pac have to
wait for Cotto/Clottey to fight the winner "Cotto" at a catchweight
when Mosley was willing to fight Pac at a catchweight as well even
Lower than 145? Roach already said Cotto was damage goods
so why not go for Mosley who was the man at WW? Pac was
looking for a 7th title and Mosley had COTTO's. Cotto didn't
look that great against Clottey while Mosley's performance
was a great one. Your basically saying that it is ok for Pac
to fight nothing but Top Rank fighters.

[GRUSTLER]

Yes, they are. They need an absolute otherwise they are confused. As you will see in this thread; I have some Floyd Mayweather fanboy, demanding I read obscure quotes from Arum because he feels they vindicate "his boy's" actions. He's clearly a troll as he's repeatedly ignored the fact I don't care for this futile "debate" any longer.

Dan, I thought that was what the whole debate was about?
Isn't it a debate about who's ducking who and who's lying and
who's trying to make the fight? Leaduppercut posted some
pretty solid evidence about Arum and how he fabricated alot
pertaining to the 2nd negotiations he supposedly had going
on for Pac/Floyd. Did you take the time out to read them?
Their basically countering everything that your trying to
debate. It is a documented and known fact that Arum was
not being on the up and up about making the fight a reality
but rather setting up Pac/Margarito. There should be no denying
these facts by substituting them for people trying to protect
Floyd's name. It's all there and for everyone to see. It is kind
of su****ious how Arum tried to make himself seem like he was
crawling through the desert to make the fight happen but in
actuality he was working on getting Margarito reinstated to
fight Pac at Cowboys stadium and keep all the money inhouse.
It's so obvious.

[GRUSTLER]

Dan, apparently it suits you to ignore a lot of things.....

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Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

DAMN! I don't know how anyone can debate this at all.
I would think that if someone tried to, that it would be
called being a straight up fan boy.

[GRUSTLER]

I mean these guys gotta be kidding me. Here's P Will
who's been calling out Mayweather ever since I can
remember. The guy is literally begging by willing to go down
at 147. (Well, you can't blame these guys. It's like winning the
lottery when you're handed the big fight.)
Did Paul Williams get it? A big NO! Roger Mayweather has
already spoken about it. He said Paul and Sergio don't bring
anything to the table.

These guys don't call that ducking, do they?

You mean Shane talked to
Manny personally? Don't you know that Mosley is a GBP
guy? Is it that easy to make a fight? Just beg for the
fight and you're suppose to get it? Is this what you're
saying here? No politics should be involved, Top Rank
in-house fighting should be ignored, and all those
complications. Just beg and it will be handed to you.
Is that how simple minded you guys are? This is just
plain nitpicking to me.

Do you see where you contradicted yourself? It's ok
for Floyd to be called a ducker because he didn't answer
Paul Williams call but not ok for Manny to be called a ducker
for not fighting Mosley? You said it yourself.