Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[Ray*]

Am sure if full testing was agreed to then the fight would have been fought and done by now.

[vellz13]

SO ROY WAS USING TOO? YOU JUST KNOCKED ONE OF MY ATG'S OFF THE LIST.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER FIGHTERS THAT WERE CAUGHT AND THE RESULTS SWEPTED UNDER THE RUG?

[switchsouthpaw]

Yes and Mr. Jones didn't test positive for nandro. What reason have you to doubt the reliability of the steroid test?

Christ never mind. I said his "elevated test levels" triggered a positive test. The report didn't specify what caused it.

[vellz13]

am sure if full testing was agreed to then the fight would have been fought and done by now.

mr. Ray this has been my stance from the beginning simple and to the point!

[IMDAZED]

That's the one area where I view you as an absolute expert ...****.

Everyone here knows you're the useful idiot. He tested positive for an "anabolic agent". I simply explained what triggered the positive result. They tested his test levels, which came back past normal limits. They didn't test for a specific agent or sought to make a distinction. This is old news. He tested positive for coming in past the natural limit for "testosterone". What elevated his testosterone? ANDRO which metabolizes into nandrolone. Nandro is considered illegal. Andro even though it converted to Nandro was legal at the time.

Again what year did Roy test positive?

What year was Andro classified as illegal?

He tested positive for Andro and Andro CAN metabolize into nandrolone but is structurally different, and the difference can be detected through testing, which is why he tested positive for one and not the other. Furthermore, when you say legal and illegal, what are you getting at? Andro was already banned in the NFL, hockey but not banned in baseball, for instance. So the legal/illegal debate is pure deflection. The Indiana State Athletic Commission deemed it illegal. And with good reason. It IS a supplement, it CAN be taken externally, and it doesn't need to morph into anything in order to be a PED. Poof, pow, boom! Vamoose!

[Mr. Philadel]

Wow you really are a plank arent you? You twat you give english people a bad name, Did you read what IMDAZE wrote before you wrote this reply or are you that ******?

He said " Who cares"? Which means no one cared about it which is the sad reflection of boxing, He isnt ****riding Jones or Mayweather!!! He was actually questioning how "NOBODY" actually cared when fighters are on drug...Moron.

some dudes just like to go against certain posters....I have no idea why ....DAZE made a good point IMO....a dam good point!!

[IAMBIAZED]

Am sure if full testing was agreed to then the fight would have been fought and done by now.

Ellerbie: No negotiations happened.

[switchsouthpaw]

He tested positive for Andro and Andro CAN metabolize into nandrolone but is structurally different, and the difference can be detected through testing, which is why he tested positive for one and not the other. Furthermore, when you say legal and illegal, what are you getting at? Andro was already banned in the NFL, hockey but not banned in baseball, for instance. So the legal/illegal debate is pure deflection. The Indiana State Athletic Commission deemed it illegal. And with good reason. It IS a supplement, it CAN be taken externally, and it doesn't need to morph into anything in order to be a PED. Poof, pow, boom! Vamoose!

Hmmm I never said the structure was the same, that should be implied, because if the molecular structure was the same, they would both be illegal? Christ you aren't a smart guy at all. What separates Andro from a steroid is a molecule, missing that molecule allowed Andro to remain legal until it was banned in 2004. Shouldn't it be implied to the truly intelligent, that the structure isn't the same?

When I say "legal", I'm referring to actual law. If said "regulatory" that would refer to the commission. So again he broke commission rules, however, he didn't break the law and was allowed to keep his belts.

The question of whether or not it's PED is vague in my estimation. Using that logic...is creatine a PED? BCAA's? Plant sterols? Some of these agencies don't make a clarification between supplements or illegal steroids, they only test for what is present in the body, now necessarily how it got there. Now new tests are in place courtesy of Dr.Caitlin that can detect specific substances. When Roy fought Richard Hall who knows what testing methods were used. Let me guess. you know?

[SonnyboyReturns]

Christ never mind. I said his "elevated test levels" triggered a positive test. The report didn't specify what caused it.

He tested postitive for Andro and the steroid test can disitinguish between the two substances.

[IMDAZED]

Hmmm I never said the structure was the same, that should be implied, because if the molecular structure was the same, they would both be illegal? Christ you aren't a smart guy at all. What separates Andro from Nandro is a molecule, missing that molecule allowed Andro to remain legal until it was banned in 2004. Shouldn't it implied to the truly intelligent, that the structure isn't the same?

So if the structure isn't the same, and you can test positive for either or...what's your point? Seriously. He tested positive for Andro which, regardless of when it was banned, was not allowed in Indiana. Or in many other states and sports. So what's all this deflection?

When I say "legal", I'm referring to actual law. If said "regulatory" that would refer to the commission. So again he broke commission rules, however, he didn't break the law and was allowed to keep his belts.

Yeah, but we're talking boxing here, not the constitution. It's not like you get a 25 to life sentence for a positive test or something. But umm...ok.