So... when did Pac started using PEDS?

[Hasha]

That's why Pac is amazing. He's still a student of boxing and he is willing to learn to be the best of the best.
As I said before, when the impossible becomes possible, it is a natural human instinct that we find reasons as to why.
That's why excuses like his opponents came off from losses, they were shot, they were weight drained, he's on PEDS, and fixed fights started.

Mosley and Roy Jones jr were proven to have used PEDS yet they havent accomplished wat Pac did in the ring.
You can't just magically give a boxer PEDS and expect him to be #1 P4P overnight.

Until he ran away from blood tests, anything anyone said held little weight. It was when he refused blood tests, followed by the ridiculous excuses by he and his camp is when people began to give peds more thought.

Oh, and I believe it was in the Diaz fight where he started using them.

[Dempsey-Roll]

Until he ran away from blood tests, anything anyone said held little weight. It was when he refused blood tests, followed by the ridiculous excuses by he and his camp is when people began to give peds more thought.

Oh, and I believe it was in the Diaz fight where he started using them.

his demands are

8oz glove
50 50 split
10 million for every pound over 147

lemme repeat what i said in another thread:

The Nevada State Athletic commission doesn't allow fighters at 154 and up to use 8 Oz. gloves. The rule actually says 147 and up, but Arum appealed for a change before they would stage the Cotto-Marg fight in Vegas.

But since we know that Floyd was weight a lot more in the Mayweather-Marquez fight, the 8oz gloves would ACTUALLY benefit him.
And what's wrong with 50/50 split? Those 2 are the greatest boxers this generation, an even split is pretty fair. If youre talking about Floyd getting the most PPV buys, that's because the Pac-Clottey fight, Clottey is pretty unknown and has little fanbase. If Pac was against Mosley, I'm pretty sure it'll do around the same PPV buys as the Mayweather-Mosley fight.

And c'mon Floyd has the biggest ego. If he would have gotten the FOTD award instead of Pac, I'ms sure he'd ask for a 65/35 split, or hell even a 70/30 split. But nope, Pac, who's widely regarded as #1 P4P king, he's OK with a 50/50 split. That just says that he sees himself and Mayweather as equal until one of them defeats each other.

As for the 10mil for every pound over 147, that's just making sure that Floyd wont cheat the scales again just like he did with the Marquez fight. I mean Marquez was a blown up featherweight fighting a freakin middleweight that fight night. Pac doesn't want to be in the same situation.
Floyd would have no choice but to comply and yknow, NOT cheat the scales.

as "running away from the OST"
As I said before, it INSULTS him. Why does he have to take more tests than any other active boxer? Floyd is singling him out. And besides Pac agreed to 7 days. And another blood test right after the fight. It doesnt sound like a person guilty of using PEDS.
The reason he doesn't want his blood drawn close to the fight is the first Morales fight.

[cixthree]

I am sick and tired of these *****s assuming Pac is on steroids/peds (I'm looking at YOU RELOADED) so I am making a thread about it.

If you guys think "Pacroid" is a fraud, then which fight did he started using PEDS?!?

Let's look at his recent fight.

Was Pac on PEDS on the Clottey fight?
I mean don't you *****s think it's a fixed fight anyway? Look at Clottey. He was constantly in his turtle shell for the majority of his fights, but once he started punching, he would hit Pac as clean as day. And it was Pac looking all bruised up by the end of the fight while Clottey looked like he didn't have a single scratch on him.

Was Pac on PEDS on the Cotto fight?
It was a magnificent fight. Everything was looking even until round 4 when Cotto started retreating and moon walking away from Pac.
Many people believed Cotto wasn't the same fighter after Marg destroyed him.

Was Pac on PEDS on the Hatton fight?
This fight was short lived. Hatton kept WALKING straight into Pac's punches.
Hatton was aware that Pac is now a complete fighter and that knew that Pac now uses his right arm more.
More so that he forgot that Pac's best arsenal is still his left arm.

Was Pac on PEDS on the De La Hoya fight?
Oscar got his ass handed to him that night and he quit while he was at his corner. Many people think Pac would lose this fight because Oscar is way to big for him.
After the fight, Pac's critics now said that Oscar weight drained himself and it was his own fault. Some hardcore *****s to this day thinks this fight is fixed.

So yea, WHICH IS IT?!
Before Ariza came to work for Team Pacquiao, Pac was dominating his opponents in a good'ol action-PACed style boxing.

Now "*****s", which fight did Pac started using PEDS?
I am very curious.

It's pretty obvious you havent been watching or paying attention to this sport for very long.
Do a little research, put the puzzle 2gether then open your ears and eyes.

Clue #1... The fight before David Diaz (I forget who it was). But listen to the HBO announcer.. "You are witnessing the DECLINE"...

Clue #2... His very next fight (Alex has now joined the team).. Listen to the HBO announcers.............

From that point on, Team Pac has never looked back.. I know it's hard to believe, but to a person who pays attention it's harder to not question.

Clue #3... This whole circus is over 1 man wanting a full random drug test, and the other not wanting full random drug test..
Pussh all the BullShyt to the side and just look at the puzzle. By doing that, and not mixing emmotion you can simply not avoid atleast questioning if it's true...

[Vasyl’s dad]

November 14, 2009.

[Jack Napier]

I am sick and tired of these *****s assuming Pac is on steroids/peds (I'm looking at YOU RELOADED) so I am making a thread about it.

Reloaded is Grandfather Floyd***
that dude's about 55 years old
he goes harder in troll threads than the teens in Floyd's ****** army
surprised he hasn't given himself a heart attack yet :laugh:

[Vasyl’s dad]

The thought is Pac started when he started jumping up in weight so easily retaining his speed and power (possibly increasing his power). He is literally the only one in the history of boxing to do this. Not even Ray Robinson, Leonard, Mosley, Roy Jones, etc could do it. U have to admit, it may not be roids, but it's has to be some kinda special vitamins or something.

Now for anyone to sit there and say that he ABSOLUTELY IS on roids, they're just hating. But it's the same kinda people that think Floyd beat his x-gf, and that Tyson ****d that woman, and that Michael Jackson touched those kids. They don't know, it's non of their business, why not wait till the evidence pops up.

How did he "jump up in weight so easily" when he was weighing in on fight night in the 140s even back when he was at superfeatherweight?

[Vasyl’s dad]

You don't have to be a "*****" to have su****ions about Pac.

Myself, I felt something might be up when Pac's team made a big deal out of a drug test. Something that only makes the sport better.

So then you must be su****ious about every fighter who isn't testing right?

[Hasha]

his demands are

8oz glove
50 50 split
10 million for every pound over 147

lemme repeat what i said in another thread:



as "running away from the OST"
As I said before, it INSULTS him. Why does he have to take more tests than any other active boxer? Floyd is singling him out. And besides Pac agreed to 7 days. And another blood test right after the fight. It doesnt sound like a person guilty of using PEDS.
The reason he doesn't want his blood drawn close to the fight is the first Morales fight.

If it insults him, then why did he list a bunch of random excuses before finally saying, "It insults me." It seems that it was just another excuse like the ones previously stated. From the get-go, he should've put his foot down with that very reason.

As for the first Morales fight, why then, in the immediate post fight interview with Merchant, did Manny not mention anything about blood and blame it on the gloves?

[Vasyl’s dad]

It's pretty obvious you havent been watching or paying attention to this sport for very long.
Do a little research, put the puzzle 2gether then open your ears and eyes.

Clue #1... The fight before David Diaz (I forget who it was). But listen to the HBO announcer.. "You are witnessing the DECLINE"...

Clue #2... His very next fight (Alex has now joined the team).. Listen to the HBO announcers.............

From that point on, Team Pac has never looked back.. I know it's hard to believe, but to a person who pays attention it's harder to not question.

Clue #3... This whole circus is over 1 man wanting a full random drug test, and the other not wanting full random drug test..
Pussh all the BullShyt to the side and just look at the puzzle. By doing that, and not mixing emmotion you can simply not avoid atleast questioning if it's true...

The HBO team also had Castillo beating Floyd in the first fight.

Now, do you keep implying that what HBO says is fact,

or would you like to retract those comments?

[Hasha]

So then you must be su****ious about every fighter who isn't testing right?

I agree with him that you don't have to be a ***** to have su****ions about pacquiao. As for me, I'm su****ious about every fighter who refuses full random blood tests. As for now, there's only one.