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Breakdown of Mayweather's later career boxing (NO bs content, strictly boxing)
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Originally posted by Kimo View PostPeople tend to see Mayweather as a very talented boxer with a sense of invincibility. The fight with Mosley made many people believe that Floyd was indeed human and could be caught with a decent shot. I tend to disagree, looking at Mosley's state in that fight it was a lucky shot that slowed Floyd down temporarily, but Shane failed to put him away, his stamina was ridiculous and he failed to apply any pressure whatsoever.
I see a bigger issue with Floyd's boxing, this doesn't really consider his defence per se. It has always been extremely good, but the issue with Floyd is that he's becoming too calculating, too defensive and especially too PASSIVE.
The fight with De La Hoya showed that clearly, it was a close fight. Not because De La Hoya provided stiff competition, in the rounds where Floyd let his hands go the difference became so apparent, any boxing fan could see Oscar was a class lower. The same happened with Ricky Hatton, as soon as Floyd started putting combinations together it resulted in total domination. These are all shades of the old Pretty Boy, not Money Mayweather.
It is no surprise to me that Floyd didn't want to fight Margarito, a pressure fighter like him could beat the above mentioned style of fighting, simply by overwhelming activity (and taking all his potshots with ease). It's not that I think he's a better fighter, but with this passive ring attitude Floyd could make it very easy to lose a decision against certain fighters. Frankly it also doesn't live up to his potential, which also kinda holds for his later career (but thats a different story).
Adding to this, you can't deny that he fights way more flat footed than before. I'm not suggesting his legs are gone like Roach, but again it does put him at risk against pressure fighters. It's a big difference with the past, just check it out.
Finally, it's been discussed too many times, but I just want to say to people that claim Mayweather will destroy fighters like Pacquiao or even Williams for that matter, think again. His later career style is very prone to being exploited by these types of fighters.
We all know Mayweather has the talent and skills, it's what he chooses to do in his head that severely affects the outcome of his career. This has made him a lot more vulnerable, not the destroying force he was in the lower weight classes. We just have not seen it yet due to the opponents he's fought. I would personally love to see him fight an A-class pressure fighter again, to bring back that movement and amazing boxing ability with vicious combinations. One can only hope...
Tony couldn't hit Floyd with rice at a wedding.
Hell
He couldn't even hit Shane Mosley...a guy hardly know for his defense.
If Tony has something Floyd wanted he would have kicked the grease off that sorry mofo long ago.
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Originally posted by check hook View PostI mentioned in a thread a few days ago the slowed footspeed and movement into higher divisions (easier to get hurt and harder to hurt the opponent) has resulted in less combination punching from Floyd.
The TS in this case is right about a volume pressure fighter having the best shot. Margo and Pac have the best chance. I don't favour Williams because i view him as sloppy and not a fighter who uses his height advantage. He also needs room to throw. I see Floyd being able to smother him in the pocket and pick his spots.
Margarito and Pac present different challenges. Hatton was able to keep up with Mayweathe because of his footspeed. He was just too sloppy and underestimated Floyd's physical strength and ability to beat him inside.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostHell no. And he'd be nuts to fight that way.
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it comes down to this. wifebeater used to throw punches in bunches. now he throws at maximum 2 punch combination.
I mean even against marquez (a guy he out-weighed, out-ranged, out-height, out-muscled, out-powered and out-sped), he was still throwing only at max 2 punch combos. It is my estimation that if floyd put together 3-5 punch combos, wifebeater would've beaten marquez by KO around the 8-10th round. TS is correct, wifebeater has become what he beats (a woman) and is way too tentative and passive.
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Originally posted by cortdawg25 View Postwhat? man, i watched Cotto box his socks off. and cotto can't punch and move at the same time. cotto don't really got no defense and u think floyd who is longer and faster and maybe stronger now can't circle and beat margarito?
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Originally posted by cortdawg25 View Postwhat? man, i watched Cotto box his socks off. and cotto can't punch and move at the same time. cotto don't really got no defense and u think floyd who is longer and faster and maybe stronger now can't circle and beat margarito?
He was getting hit and rough-up from the first bell.
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Originally posted by Pullcounter View Postit comes down to this. wifebeater used to throw punches in bunches. now he throws at maximum 2 punch combination.
I mean even against marquez (a guy he out-weighed, out-ranged, out-height, out-muscled, out-powered and out-sped), he was still throwing only at max 2 punch combos. It is my estimation that if floyd put together 3-5 punch combos, wifebeater would've beaten marquez by KO around the 8-10th round. TS is correct, wifebeater has become what he beats (a woman) and is way too tentative and passive.
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