Interesting video on drug test issue

[deejd]

The NSAC demand fighters to make weight.

Mayweather missed weight that he was suppose to make. Wanna spin that **** again.

Yeah, so what happened to your original point about him not fightin the best fighters? In other words, you divertin' subject because you dont have response.

Yes, they do demand fighters to make weight, but never for an amount of $10 million dollars. Name the last fight that took place where a $10 million dollar penalty was enforced for every pound over the contracted weight, find that and let me know.

Mayweather made the weight of '47 when he's required to make the '47 lb. limit. Have you found me a fight when Mayweather didn't make 147 when it was requested of him yet?

Huh? You're ignorant, brick parrot.

Do you not understand that I stated that Pacquiao hasn't face the best opposition post '30 and he could possibly be using in the process? That sound like two points that I've stood firm by through and through, brick. You just confirmed it by further confirmed the latter by stating his rapid movement through weight in such a short period of time. Understanding now, brick, or do you still not understand?

[mikemurni]

Judah's attacked a referee and used dirty tactics on a world class level in his fight previous to signing on to Mosley... Tell me if you think he has leverage to demand that of Mosley. It's not right, but unless you're Mayweather, that stipulation won't happen.

Thanks for reinforcing my point, moron… Proof..
Davis the ****** (post #263): Naturally, Pacquiao said no. Mayweather-Mosley agreed to full random testing and went through with it. It's been done successfully now, neither competitor complained about it, and it was made clear that full random testing is the deal on the table, take it or leave it.

Me (post# 268): So what!! This just means that Mosley, who was never in a position to bargain, and was force to agree to the blood testing. Floyd can demand that to Mosley but that doesn’t mean he can force feed that to Pac. Pac can negotiate on equal terms with Floyd. Floyd cannot force Pac to accept an all or nothing demand as if he was negotiating with some fighter who had limited options.

Davis the ****** (post #271): I think an admitted steroid user who just came off knocking out a fighter who had never been knocked out let alone knocked down throughout their career would be open to agreeing to testing, if not, how would that look?

Me owning your ass (post#274): That’s right. By the way, did Mosley accept Judah’s offer for a more stringent drug test? How did that turn out? This is because if I recall, Schaeffer and Mosley told Judah to **** off when he propose to have the test.

So after all that bull****, you finally agreed why Mosley agreed to random testin’ against Floyd, which was the issue to begin with.. One word moron: leverage



Nope, if Mayweather withdrew the testing against Mosley or whomever his next fight was, I'd be giving him flack. Just like if this testing was requested of him and he didn't agree, I'd be questioning him. Only Pacquiao fans fantasize about nuts, so much that they dedicate "Floyd Mayweather" tags for anything about Manny Pacquiao.

No you won’t. You would have found a way to spin the **** in his favor. Because you like the taste of his nuts so much

It is about cleaning up the sport, brick. Mayweather didn't want to compromise from 0 to 14 but he did because the 30 days offered by Pacquiao was a joke. He pitched 14 and gave Pacquiao a window to cheat and Pacquiao rejected because he wanted 24 days. So Mayweather swiped that off the table for good. Then Pacquiao offered 18 days after Mayweather beat Mosley. Then Pacquiao said 14... and now it was 7 that was the final stand. Why so many changes by Pacquiao????? Why not just hold your ground at 30 or 24? You're talking about Mayweather changing his stance, you want to talk about fresh new second negotiations, well, Mayweather stood at 0 from day one, not 14, not 7, 0.

We're talking about from May 2nd, brick...... May 2nd to now. What did Mayweather say on May 2nd when the fight was over...???

Right there, your quote “Mayweather didn't want to compromise from 0 to 14 but he did” just owned your entire argument. If he made a counter offer of 0 to 14 to Pac, irregardless whether Pac was being stubborn on the date, then that means he already compromised his conviction on the drug testing. Verdict: Not about cleaning the sport..


And for Pacquiao, 24 days was safe... Why didn't he accept 14 when it was there? Explain that, brick, please....

Pac didn’t demand the OST, moron. He does not have to agree to anything. He could have just away walked from the start. Floyd should even be elated that Pac when through all this charade with him.

What bluff? The stance was full random testing, 0 day cutoff the night that Mayweather beat Mosley. 14 days was never on the table.... so what bluff? How do you call a 0 day cutoff "bluff" with a 7 day cutoff. Explain..... brick, explain.....

No it wasn’t.. Final offer by Floyd on ’09 was 14 which what everybody especially the ***** was fair at that time. Then Pac offered 7, and then Floyd took a vacation

The testing was the first thing requested for that fight. Ellerbe made it known that they wanted to fight Pacquiao if he submitted to the exact same testing Mayweather would take part in. That came first. Initially, Ariza made the statement to a news source, "Manny has no idea what I give him." Red flag.... Roach says, "we'll take any test that they want", which is a good clean up for Ariza's statement.

Now, Pacquiao makes demands, weight, gloves, penalty. Mayweather agrees to all under the impression they're taking the tests. The penalty came last and when Mayweather agreed (let's fight), that's when Pacquiao's team went into a tailspin and back out because testing was random and they didn't want that.

No it wasn’t everything discussed in a close door session meeting with a media blackout at the same time. You just want to make everybody believe that it did.

Huh? Of 41 contracts, 40 were honored. That seems so unreliable doesn't it? Brick, you're ignorant. Mayweather has never missed the official weight limit for any weight class. He's never fought for a title at a catchweight and he's only fought at one catchweight. The fight was requested at '47 by Pacquiao.

Now show me when Mayweather never made the '47 lb. weight limit....? Go find it... Find the fight at 147 lbs. that Mayweather contractually agreed to where he didn't make weight....

You listen to yourself?? It should have been 41 contracts and 41 honored, moron.. Everythin’ else you spew there is just crap..


Is NSAC administering the random drug testing, brick?

Yeah but there's the thing, the fighters who lost their jobs against, Vitaly, Pac, and Mosley, didn't compromise their integrity in the process.

USADA is not a governing boxing body.. NSAC is, so what are you talking about?

Yeah but how is Vitaly, Pac, and Mosley now?


Is '45 the same as '47? No, brick... brick through and through. There's no excuse for not comprehending that '45 and '47 are not the same weight.

Is '44 and '46 the same? You claim that it isn't so how is '45 and '47 the same, brick?

So the best way to win a losing argument is change the subject. That’s your motto now. Proof:

Davis the ******: "Actually, you're wrong. If you actually looked at the date of the source I provided where Arum states that there are "open talks between Pacquiao and foreman," Roach also is quoted as saying this is because negotiations have "stalled with Mayweather," and guess what, that article was printed Dec. 1st, 2009. That means negotiating started before December. Chronology is great right!"

Me: "Yeah that rights, ignore what the fighter said in November and instead use quotes from his promoter (made in December), whom by the way you consider as liar and a scumbag as reference for your argument. WTF, Pac made that statement after the 145 lb fight with Cotto that he cannot go beyond 147. So he fought Clottey at 147. So how the hell did he lie?"

Davis the ******: "Why not use quotes from December, that was the most recent right? I mean, he is fighting above '45 right? He says he fought at '47 but Pacquiao never did until he fought Clottey. So to say he never intended on exceeding in weight, well, he did. Another lie, yet again, but apparently that's what you hate and support at the same time. "

Me: "Yes it was great that you use quotes in December, which is more recent, except that you didn’t get it from the same source. Pac made the quote in November so if you want to get a sound byte if the fighter had a change of heart, then you should have gotten a quote in December from him and not from anyone else."

We were talking about whether Foreman being a possible fight for Pac at ’54 was even entertained by Pac. How is that post even related to this topic.

[deejd]

Did I miss something, I thought Toney looked like **** against Batchelder, I thought Vargas got KTFO against Oscar ?

Anyone who actually watches Boxing closely, will notice during the Barrera rematch, that Manny was using more head movement, showed more patience, tried to box more, where did Pac miraculously find the array of counter punches he hit Diaz with, I guess that came in a box with his PED's?

Anyone who watches boxing also noticed that the Barrera rematch wasn't needed seeing that Pacquiao beat the brakes off of him the first time around.

[IMDAZED]

Anyone who watches boxing also noticed that the Barrera rematch wasn't needed seeing that Pacquiao beat the brakes off of him the first time around.

Especially since...Barrera was coming off a loss.

[mikemurni]

Yes, they do demand fighters to make weight, but never for an amount of $10 million dollars. Name the last fight that took place where a $10 million dollar penalty was enforced for every pound over the contracted weight, find that and let me know.

Mayweather made the weight of '47 when he's required to make the '47 lb. limit. Have you found me a fight when Mayweather didn't make 147 when it was requested of him yet?

Huh? You're ignorant, brick parrot.

Do you not understand that I stated that Pacquiao hasn't face the best opposition post '30 and he could possibly be using in the process? That sound like two points that I've stood firm by through and through, brick. You just confirmed it by further confirmed the latter by stating his rapid movement through weight in such a short period of time. Understanding now, brick, or do you still not understand?

No moron, you're reply on that one was for one particular point. Go back read... In fact why don't you do a recap, so you wont be so confuse.

[Dynamite Kid]

Anyone who watches boxing also noticed that the Barrera rematch wasn't needed seeing that Pacquiao beat the brakes off of him the first time around.

I see, no actual answer for what I wrote, you will just ignore intangible evidence that he had improved technically during the Diaz, Barrera fights, that other fighters who have taken PED, have actually lost fights.

[mikemurni]

I see, no actual answer for what I wrote, you will just ignore intangible evidence that he had improved technically during the Diaz, Barrera fights, that other fighters who have taken PED, have actually lost fights.

Yup, he likes changin' the subject when he is gettin' owned. That's his style.

[IMDAZED]

I see, no actual answer for what I wrote, you will just ignore intangible evidence that he had improved technically during the Diaz, Barrera fights, that other fighters who have taken PED, have actually lost fights.

You know, DK, Roach was parroting that technical improvement stuff prior to the second Marquez fight. So you know what I did? I went back and watched all of Manny's fights from Marquez II going. And...I saw no difference. Just flip to the second half of Marquez II and watch closely--I think you'll be surprised at what you see. It's amazing what a live body can do to improvements.

[Dynamite Kid]

You know, DK, Roach was parroting that technical improvement stuff prior to the second Marquez fight. So you know what I did? I went back and watched all of Manny's fights from Marquez II going. And...I saw no difference. Just flip to the second half of Marquez II and watch closely--I think you'll be surprised at what you see. It's amazing what a live body can do to improvements.

Thats says as much about your eye for spotting things than anything else, plus, I dare say you see what you want to see, given that your mind was made up a long time ago. If you watched the Barrera fight, you will clearly see a noticeable difference in head movement, patience.

Marquez fight was different cause JMM is his poison, a counter puncher, but even then, you saw him drop JMM with a counter, and in the Diaz fight, he put on a clinic of counter punching, only you want see this stuff cause like I said, you have made up your mind, have your agenda.

Im off to bed now, will respond in the morning.

[IMDAZED]

Thats says as much about your eye for spotting things than anything else, plus, I dare say you see what you want to see, given that your mind was made up a long time ago. If you watched the Barrera fight, you will clearly see a noticeable difference in head movement, patience.

Marquez fight was different cause JMM is his poison, a counter puncher, but even then, you saw him drop JMM with a counter, and in the Diaz fight, he put on a clinic of counter punching, only you want see this stuff cause like I said, you have made up your mind, have your agenda.

Im off to bed now, will respond in the morning.

I actually thought you might have something of substance to say. Anyway, someone post the last half of that fight. What you'll see is a very, very sloppy fighter. And when you see that he can't seem to remember to keep his head moving - in a fight after that second Barrera fight you're referring to - you'll see what I mean. Manny is more judicious in the use of his right but he's always been a fabulous counterpuncher.