The Difference Between Entertainers and Fighters. Why Pacquiao is BORING!

[-MAKAVELLI-]

As a fan of boxing, I care about what happens in the boxing ring most. I'd watch Pacquiao KOing Hatton over Floyd talking about Shane's hair any day.

Horus doesn't even watch the actual fights...4 episodes of Floyd showin off things that the IRS will eventually repossess is enough entertainment him

[-MAKAVELLI-]

PPV & GROSS HISTORY

Last Fight
Mayweather-Marquez
13,000 seats
Live Gate: $6.8M
PPV: 1.1 Million
Gross: $52 Million
Nevada State Athletic Commission (702) 486-2575 [to check the numbers]

Last Fight
Pacquiao vs. Clottey
50,994 seats
Live Gate: 4.2 Million (Jerry Jones paid 7 Million for the site fee)
PPV: 700k
Gross:$35 Million
Texas Athletic Commission: (512)463 -6599 [to check the numbers]

Mayweather vs. Marquez outsold Pacquiao vs. Clottey at the gate and on PPV.
51k seats sold but less than 5 million gate revenue...


Pacquiao's 12 pay-per-view fights
6.25 million buys and $320 million


June 2008: Pacquiao vs. David Diaz 250k PPV = $12.5 Million
Dec 2008: Pacquiao vs. De la Hoya 1.25M PPV= $70 Million
May 2009: Pacquaio vs. Ricky Hatton 800k PPV= $43 Million
Nov 2009: Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto 1.25 M PPV = $68 Million
Mar 2010: Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey 700k PPV= $35 Million

other ppv:
Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

Mayweather 6 Pay Per View Fights
5.5 Million Buys and $264 Million

June 2005 Mayweather vs. Arturo Gatti 365k= $16.5 million
Apr. 2006 Mayweather vs. Zab Judah 375k = $ $16.8 million
Sep 2006 Mayweather vs. Carlos Baldomir 325k = $16.3 Million
May 2007 Mayweather vs. De la Hoya 2.44M=$136.6 Million
Dec 2007 Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton 920k=$50 Million
Sep 2009 Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Marquz 1.1M=$52 Million

Updated


http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=369262

700K ppv buys and 50K in attendance? with no 24/7?!?!?


is that even possible without Facebook?

[Horus]

700K ppv buys and 50K in attendance? with no 24/7?!?!?


is that even possible without Facebook?

Actually it wasnt 50k in attendance. More like 43k after they updated the total paid count

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The Difference Between Entertainers and Fighters. Why Pacquiao is BORING!

Boxing is all about entertainment, drama, and mystery. Before and after the bell.

Pacquiao after the bell ring, is one of the most entertaining fighters of all time.
Pacquiao before the bell rings, is one of the most boring fighters of all time.


Plain and Simple, Pacquiao has no personality. Pacquiao appeal is him being the pride and hope of the Philippines. So doing a 24/7 surrounding his journey towards his next fight will be boring because he is only 1 dimensional. How many shots can they show of him being cheered by his countrymen? So it should not be no big surprise that people find Manny Pacquiao boring before the bell rings, and when it comes to promoting a fight.


When its comes to promotion of this fight. What Storylines can they sell concerning Pacquiao?

Pacquiao loves his country?
Pacquiao loves for his country is making him distracted?
Pacquiao countrymen find hope in him?

Where is the Drama?
Where is the Intrigued?
Where is the Mystery?
Where is the Entertainment?


Boxing is always at its peak popularity when it has fighters with Personalities.
Historically speaking there has always been two type of draws in boxing that resonate with the fans.

Personality Driven Fighter and Nationalistic Driven Fighter.It's rare, but sometimes 1 fighter processes both and than he is truly
Transcendent figure.

Personality Driven Fighter: Are fighters who are infamous,and notorious
for the things they say as well as the way they fight. As a result, people pay to see them fight as well to see them win or lose.

Nationalistic Driven Fighter: Are fighters who are famous by in large part due to their Nationality and how their fighting style embodies the characteristics of their Nation. As a result, their countrymen and women usually find pride in them and support them.

Personality Driven Fighters
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones Jr
Hector Camacho

Nationalistic Driven Fighter:
Julio Ceaser Chavez
Manny Pacquiao
Alexis Arguello
Felix Trinidad
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Wladimir Klitschko
Joe Calzaghe


Both(Personality + Nationality)
Muhammad Ali
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Jake LaMotta
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Ricky Hatton
Rocky Marciano
David Haye
Gatti



So instead of some of you guys getting upset that people find pacquiao's 24/7 and interviews boring, just understand that Pacquiao draw is not based on him having a personality. So do not get upset when people say he is boring.
Because you know what? He is.

You typed all that. I'll type this. You're an idiot. Plain and simple.

[Brutal Honesty]

PPV & GROSS HISTORY

Updated


http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=369262

thank you for proving my point that pacquiao's recent success is not nationalistic driven. If only pinoys watched pacquiao fights he would only average at the very best 250k ppvs. showing those numbers one could say floyd is a purely nationalistic driven fighter than pacquiao & based on the population of the U.S. floyd is clearly underwhelming considering he's an american & pacquiao isnt.

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Horus doesn't even watch the actual fights...4 episodes of Floyd showin off things that the IRS will eventually repossess is enough entertainment him

LOL! thats sad. He follows the sport but not for the same reasons as all of us.

[Horus]

is that even possible without Facebook?

When it comes to being entertaining? besides from boxing.

How would I know how Pacquiao in the Philippines is if he doesnt have a facebook, if he doesnt have a twitter, if he doesnt have a youtube account.
You know all media sources that AMERICANS used to get more information about people.

He would be more entertaining if he had all three of those things, you know how?

Because all the stuff you say he does, would actually be seen by Americans through Facebook,Twitter,Youtube, and other American media sources..

Understand

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Actually it wasnt 50k in attendance. More like 43k after they updated the total paid count

you're right...it was actually 51K in attendance according to ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=4993511

[-MAKAVELLI-]

When it comes to being entertaining? besides from boxing.

How would I know how Pacquiao in the Philippines is if he doesnt have a facebook, if he doesnt have a twitter, if he doesnt have a youtube account.
You know all media sources that AMERICANS used to get more information about people.

He would be more entertaining if he had all three of those things, you know how?

Because all the stuff you say he does, would actually be seen by Americans through Facebook,Twitter,Youtube, and other American media sources..

Understand

you're making my point for me...he doesn't even need to do ANY of that and his 'boring' and 'dull' personality seems to be doing close to Floyd numbers


interesting

[Brutal Honesty]

When it comes to being entertaining? besides from boxing.

How would I know how Pacquiao in the Philippines is if he doesnt have a facebook, if he doesnt have a twitter, if he doesnt have a youtube account.
You know all media sources that AMERICANS used to get more information about people.

He would be more entertaining if he had all three of those things, you know how?

Because all the stuff you say he does, would actually be seen by Americans through Facebook,Twitter,Youtube, and other American media sources..

Understand

could you just stop & just listen & read what you are typing? Just because YOU havent seen it, doesnt mean it didnt happen. Does brad pitt have a twitter, facebook, page? take someone like wayne rooney, does the average american know who he is & if his life is exciting? the british do, does he have a twitter, facebook page? seriously, when you look back at this thread you should be ashamed of yourself. Since when does having a twitter, youtube, facebook page a prerequisite for fame & validation if something happened?