The Difference Between Entertainers and Fighters. Why Pacquiao is BORING!

[Castor_Troy]

1. its EANER. not EARNER

and I did and it seems like you feel that his US appeal is something that needs media resources such as those

however, he really isn't a look at me type of guy and I think that is why people gravitate toward him

even if he is now beyond approach to the everday fan they still can relate to him

and no tweet and post on fb will add to that

2. simple question for you: how many Pacquiao fights have you attended live? both as media since you have a radio show and as a customer

I will wait

LMAO! you owned him mate


I must admit HORUS is entertaining but he uses modified data when his back is againts the wall. He's not ashamed to flat out lie. to him any Floyd serving statement is a fact

[madsweeney]

Look closely,
My argument is and was,
Based on the Asian and Filipino population, FACTS tell you that Asians and Filipino's alone can support Pacquiao's recent numbers by themselves. Brutal argument was they can not.

I said they "CAN" not that they "DO"

What do you fail to realise about the difference between those two words? or my argument?

Case closed.

The whole premise of your damn thread is that Pacquiao is popular solely for Nationalistic reasons yet you provide no FACTS to support it. Can they, hell yes but so can the 40+ million of African Americans, or the almost 50 million Mexicans or the 200+ million Caucasians. Its a bull**** assumption with nothing to back it besides your perception, not facts.

[andrew14]

The Difference Between Entertainers and Fighters. Why Pacquiao is BORING!

Boxing is all about entertainment, drama, and mystery. Before and after the bell.

Pacquiao after the bell ring, is one of the most entertaining fighters of all time.
Pacquiao before the bell rings, is one of the most boring fighters of all time.


Plain and Simple, Pacquiao has no personality. Pacquiao appeal is him being the pride and hope of the Philippines. So doing a 24/7 surrounding his journey towards his next fight will be boring because he is only 1 dimensional. How many shots can they show of him being cheered by his countrymen? So it should not be no big surprise that people find Manny Pacquiao boring before the bell rings, and when it comes to promoting a fight.


When its comes to promotion of this fight. What Storylines can they sell concerning Pacquiao?

Pacquiao loves his country?
Pacquiao loves for his country is making him distracted?
Pacquiao countrymen find hope in him?

Where is the Drama?
Where is the Intrigued?
Where is the Mystery?
Where is the Entertainment?


Boxing is always at its peak popularity when it has fighters with Personalities.
Historically speaking there has always been two type of draws in boxing that resonate with the fans.

Personality Driven Fighter and Nationalistic Driven Fighter.It's rare, but sometimes 1 fighter processes both and than he is truly
Transcendent figure.

Personality Driven Fighter: Are fighters who are infamous,and notorious
for the things they say as well as the way they fight. As a result, people pay to see them fight as well to see them win or lose.

Nationalistic Driven Fighter: Are fighters who are famous by in large part due to their Nationality and how their fighting style embodies the characteristics of their Nation. As a result, their countrymen and women usually find pride in them and support them.

Personality Driven Fighters
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones Jr
Hector Camacho

Nationalistic Driven Fighter:
Julio Ceaser Chavez
Manny Pacquiao
Alexis Arguello
Felix Trinidad
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Wladimir Klitschko
Joe Calzaghe


Both(Personality + Nationality)
Muhammad Ali
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Jake LaMotta
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Ricky Hatton
Rocky Marciano
David Haye
Gatti



So instead of some of you guys getting upset that people find pacquiao's 24/7 and interviews boring, just understand that Pacquiao draw is not based on him having a personality. So do not get upset when people say he is boring.
Because you know what? He is.

are prof boxing now are showbiz???

i thought pacman is the man in the picture in wapakman! lol

man your hugging at best as well as hating as much!!!! lol

get a job man... your boy pbf is in vacation let manny get his name on the

spotlight of the sports.... your pbf guy is in the head of the news in criminal

issues ahahaha!

horus now is kinda boy abunda a ***** of today... hahaha!!


a congressional/actor/prof boxer vs a very gifted boxer/a gay whose whorewife **** by other guy/wrestlerdancer with a pole.. lol

[LeeVanCleef]

Im American, So I speak from a American Point of View.
Pacquiao before the bell is boring. English or Not.
I can only go by what I see and what I hear.
I have Eyes
and
I have Ears

You don't like Pac the person. We get it. Sheesh. He's not thug enough for you. He broke your heart and your hard earned cash on PPV.

[andrew14]

they got 24/7 for selling PPV at their homes....

[Castor_Troy]

Horus


Dont feel bad if EANER literally destroyed your ass. I think he works for the boxing industry. He's a stake holder for the sport. unlike you and me who are just pure fanatics.

He knows many times more than you regarding the sport. Im basing it on both of your posts.

[Horus]

I did and to be honest I am not sure why you feel FB and Twitter is an integral part of how Manny can gain more US access.

he is not a showman yet people still gravitate to him

he is not flashy nor a big talker yet people still come to see him fight, watch his PPVs and adore him

calling attention to himself on twitter or FB isn't going to enhance that

different fighters have different styles. Some find what others find boring as entertaining or at the very least viewable

see I think you see brash and self promoting as important kind of like how you are personally

you create these threads largely to call attention to yourself and for the most part it works because people come to these threads

but something lacks and always has Horus. A genuine sense that you get something out of these threads as someone perusing this. Much like those who critique Floyd sure they come to watch him fight but a lot of times they leave feeling cheated, kind of like your threads

now Manny by contrast is all sound and fury he is basically a man of few words, kind of boring, kind of middle of the road, he talks really bad trash and he probably knows it

however he is one thing you could never comprehend and something you clearly overlook much like you clearly are avoiding my simple little question as to whether you have seen Pacquiao fight.

he is endearing to his fans. He is the epitome of speak softly and carry a big stick. When fans go into a Manny fight they know exactly what they get so they know if they purchase a ticket chances are they won't be disappointed

and I asked you whether you have been to a Manny fight for several reasons

1. you would then have firsthand knowledge as to what the crowd at a Pacquiao fight consists of not just speculation and assumption that non Asian people went because they were comped

2. you would get a firsthand view of what it's like to see a crowd energized by him. You would know how endeared he is to his fans and how loyal they are to him and ....and he has yet to disappoint them even in losing fashion.

3. going to fights is unlike sitting on here and speculating what it is like. You would know had you attended any and I think your assessment wouldn't be so media driven

The Point of the Thread
Look, I started off by saying Pacquiao has no personality. Pacquiao appeal is him being the pride and hope of the Philippines.

I characterized Pacquiao as a Nationalistic Driven Fighter.
Which means, he is a fighter who is famous and loved by in large part due to his Nationality and how his fighting style embodies the characteristics of his Nation and people. As a result, their countrymen and women usually find pride in them and support him.

This thread was addressing alot of things, one of which is why people always call Pacquiao before the bell rings boring, and also his 24/7 boring.
And I wrote,instead of some of you guys getting upset that people find pacquiao's 24/7 and interviews boring, just understand that Pacquiao draw is not based on him having a personality. So do not get upset when people say he is boring. Because you know what? He is



Why I brought up Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube!

Brutal was bringing up the point that the American Media does not show Pacquiao full personality, and Pac's english is also poor.
I countered that by saying if that is the case and Pacquiao is not being shown in his entire light by the American Mainstream Media, Why doesnt he connect through fans through other sources of American media, like Facebook, twitter, and youtube.

Because if he does have more personality like some say he does, this personality would actually be seen by Americans through Facebook,Twitter,Youtube, and other American media sources

Your Point about my threads
1. you create these threads largely to call attention to yourself and for the most part it works because people come to these threads

I create these threads, the same reason other people make threads, to get my point across about topic I feel needs discussing.

2.but something lacks and always has Horus. A genuine sense that you get something out of these threads as someone perusing this. Much like those who critique Floyd sure they come to watch him fight but a lot of times they leave feeling cheated, kind of like your threads

My threads, IMO are more FACT and STAT oriented then any other poster on this site. I always present my argument backed by a fact or a stat, and I always explain why it is I made the argument.

I have few 1 liner threads, I have no profane and racist threads, and I have majority point laced threads. Like always people whine and b1tch about me being bias, When what they are really upset about is not seeing their views reflected in my threads.

I have no control on why people come to my threads, but I would like to believe they come to my threads because they know I present arguments based on facts, logic, and hot topics.

and either they agree or disagree which is fine.

[Horus]

The whole premise of your damn thread is that Pacquiao is popular solely for Nationalistic reasons yet you provide no FACTS to support it. Can they, hell yes but so can the 40+ million of African Americans, or the almost 50 million Mexicans or the 200+ million Caucasians. Its a bull**** assumption with nothing to back it besides your perception, not facts.

My thread Summary for you.

Boxing is all about entertainment, drama, and mystery. Before and after the bell.

1. Pacquiao after the bell ring, is one of the most entertaining fighters of all time.
2. Pacquiao before the bell rings, is one of the most boring fighters of all time.

Plain and Simple, Pacquiao has no personality. Pacquiao appeal is him being the pride and hope of the Philippines. So doing a 24/7 surrounding his journey towards his next fight will be boring because he is only 1 dimensional. How many shots can they show of him being cheered by his countrymen? So it should not be no big surprise that people find Manny Pacquiao boring before the bell rings, and when it comes to promoting a fight.

ME BACKING UP MY CLAIM

When its comes to promotion of this fight. What Storylines can they sell concerning Pacquiao?

Pacquiao loves his country?
Pacquiao loves for his country is making him distracted?
Pacquiao countrymen find hope in him?

Where is the Drama?
Where is the Intrigued?
Where is the Mystery?
Where is the Entertainment?

This is why People call Pacquiao's 24/7 boring. And by extention Pacquiao boring before the bell rings.
So instead of some of you guys getting upset that people find pacquiao's 24/7 and interviews boring, just understand that Pacquiao draw is not based on him having a personality because he doesnt have one.
Do not get upset when people say he is boring.
Because you know what? He is.

[Eaner0919]

The Point of the Thread
Look, I started off by saying Pacquiao has no personality. Pacquiao appeal is him being the pride and hope of the Philippines.

Horus it is you NOT THE PUBLIC HERE that is not getting it

ever thinking that Manny's personality is being the pride and hope of the Philippines?

ever think that his personality is one that is personified INSIDE the ring, the only place you really make your name?

you seem to gravitate towards fighters and topics with that WOW LOOK AT ME factor but not everyone needs that to be popular and not everyone needs that to maximize their popularity

Mayweather is one the rare guys that is popular and brash and while you constantly use him as your reference point yet there really isn't anyone else who does it that way

Hopkins- never been a huge draw
Jones- same

even young cats like Omar Henry are finding out that if you talk and talk people may notice ....but not care until you step into the ring

Manny does his talking with his fists and let's his fans defend him

when you have that what else needs to be said?

I characterized Pacquiao as a Nationalistic Driven Fighter.
Which means, he is a fighter who is famous and loved by in large part due to his Nationality and how his fighting style embodies the characteristics of his Nation and people. As a result, their countrymen and women usually find pride in them and support him.

and again I implore you to answer my question

how many Pacquiao fights have you attended? Your Facebook states ur hometown is Los Angeles so that has given you access to go to Vegas and Manny has had two fights in the LA region (Velasquez and Lucero)

This thread was addressing alot of things, one of which is why people always call Pacquiao before the bell rings boring, and also his 24/7 boring.
And I wrote,instead of some of you guys getting upset that people find pacquiao's 24/7 and interviews boring, just understand that Pacquiao draw is not based on him having a personality. So do not get upset when people say he is boring. Because you know what? He is

to you

Why I brought up Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube!

Brutal was bringing up the point that the American Media does not show Pacquiao full personality, and Pac's english is also poor.
I countered that by saying if that is the case and Pacquiao is not being shown in his entire light by the American Mainstream Media, Why doesnt he connect through fans through other sources of American media, like Facebook, twitter, and youtube.

Because if he does have more personality like some say he does, this personality would actually be seen by Americans through Facebook,Twitter,Youtube, and other American media sources

actually no it wouldn't and I think you know that. More times than not people online are essentially trumped up versions of who they wish they could be or who they bravely act like because they know the confines of being behing an LCD screen is easier to act in a bombastic manner than live and in person

so would we get an accurate and even more endearing Manny? maybe not

Your Point about my threads
1. you create these threads largely to call attention to yourself and for the most part it works because people come to these threads

I create these threads, the same reason other people make threads, to get my point across about topic I feel needs discussing.

nah not really it seems more like an exercise to hear you speak so to say.

you flex your supposed intelligence by stating FACTS (which are essentially hand picked facts like I pointed out with the live gate issue) but when people bring it back to you you hide behind the facts you think are more valid or try to force people to once again read through your diatribe

2.but something lacks and always has Horus. A genuine sense that you get something out of these threads as someone perusing this. Much like those who critique Floyd sure they come to watch him fight but a lot of times they leave feeling cheated, kind of like your threads

My threads, IMO are more FACT and STAT oriented then any other poster on this site. I always present my argument backed by a fact or a stat, and I always explain why it is I made the argument.

nah I think it's very selective and have shown you several instances in this and other threads we have debated in that you are fairly selective in your "facts"

I have few 1 liner threads, I have no profane and racist threads, and I have majority point laced threads. Like always people whine and b1tch about me being bias, When what they are really upset about is not seeing their views reflected in my threads.

actually your tendency is to be more myopic than those you accuse as I have NEVER seen you take anyone's point as valid at all

that's not learning or expanded and as narrow as you claim people are you seemingly are worse

I have no control on why people come to my threads, but I would like to believe they come to my threads because they know I present arguments based on facts, logic, and hot topics.

and either they agree or disagree which is fine.

sadly, judging by the people in this thread they come to mock you

me? I think your statements are so outlandish that I chuckle but then try to see if I can get to you so you have the understanding that not everything you spew is factual

stating facts and twisting facts are two totally different things

so

how many Pacquiao fights have you been to?

[Horus]

You don't like Pac the person. We get it. Sheesh. He's not thug enough for you. He broke your heart and your hard earned cash on PPV.

keep it up buddy