Comments Thread For: Vanes: I Will Test Pacquiao in Sparring, Get Bounty

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Undefeated rising junior middleweight prospect Vanes Martirosyan (28-0, 17KOs) has received word that he will begin sparring with Filipino icon Manny Pacquiao next week. "I just got the phone call and I can't wait to get in there with Manny," said an excited Martirosyan.
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Undefeated rising junior middleweight prospect Vanes Martirosyan (28-0, 17KOs) has received word that he will begin sparring with Filipino icon Manny Pacquiao next week. "I just got the phone call and I can't wait to get in there with Manny," said an excited Martirosyan.
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vanes aint ready for the big time...i wasnt impressed with his win over mean joe green...if vanes was ready, roach would be talking future opponants, but he isnt, so that tells you that roach knows that vanes aint ready for the big fights

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i doubt.. bring it on rustico torrecampo to show you on how to collect the bounty..

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Vane's could barely handle a shot Ouma,and he think's he will drop Pacquaio lmfao.

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he could not even drop greene are you kidding me this guy is a bum he needs to shut up getting tired of him tlken and he hasnt proven nothing

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he could not even drop greene are you kidding me this guy is a bum he needs to shut up getting tired of him tlken and he hasnt proven nothing

Best thing this douchebag has ever said. Vanes is a bum, he had his chance to show "the goods" on HBO against Green and all he did was look like a C fighter, one of the most boring fights of this year.

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I've been known to jump the gun way too early on fighters completely ignoring the x's and o's (flaws) like when I sincerely thought a basic 1-2 Pavlik would simply walk a seasoned BHop down and end it within 6 rds. But to call Vanes a "bum" is completely ignoring the fact that this kid has very good handspeed, good footwork, knows how to properly cut a ring off, comes in at excellent angles, and is extremely rangy especially for the 54 division. Reminds me of a younger Viper Forrest except of course for the one shot power-punch where a young Vernon could turn a fight around or simply end it altogether. Greene was an undefeated fighter and after about 4 rds you saw Vanes dip into a Plan B adjustment and completely take the fight over. That shows me the kid has some great potential in that he could even adjust to a plodder or mauling style versus the likes of an Angulo or Kirkland, or simply box from a comfortable range against a Cotto, Mosley etc. Calling him a bum is simply a ridiculous statement to make as that term is way overused in general, and certainly doesn't fit the bill in this specific instance.

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while the term bum is wrong for Vanes you make him out to be something he is clearly not

here let's breakdown your post

But to call Vanes a "bum" is completely ignoring the fact that this kid has very good handspeed,

handspeed is one thing but when you really aren't sitting down on your shots then it goes wasted unless you are a boxer who relies solely on movement to get you by.

at some point if you have a credible opponent in front of you they will recognize that your power is sacrificed in order to gain handspeed and start walking you down.

we saw that clearly in the Ouma fight, a fight in which many thought Vanes lost

good footwork, knows how to properly cut a ring off,

actually his footwork is quite questionable because he tends to bounce way too much to get any real torque on his punches. He also tends to pursue way more than a fighter of his nature should.

comes in at excellent angles,

no he doesn't he is rather stationary in his upper torso for a guy who tries to utilize his movement as an asset.

and is extremely rangy especially for the 54 division.

maybe but I see a guy who lets smaller men dictate pace and range moreso.

Reminds me of a younger Viper Forrest except of course for the one shot power-punch where a young Vernon could turn a fight around or simply end it altogether.

this where you lost me

Vernon was very disciplined in his movement and punch output. Everything was economical and with purpose. He was a predator, always agressive even when he wasn't all out attacking you could see where he wanted to.

Vanes to me is wasted motion and an overabundance of things he does not need to be effective.

Greene was an hugely inexperienced fighter

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and after about 4 rds you saw Vanes dip into a Plan B adjustment and completely take the fight over.

against a guy who had never been proven. We kind of saw what we may see from Vanes moreso with the Ouma fight than the Greene fight IMO.

That shows me the kid has some great potential in that he could even adjust to a plodder or mauling style versus the likes of an Angulo or Kirkland,

plodding isn't as simple as you make it out to be

or these guys fleet of foot? no

however, do these guys move economically to their opponent? Kirkland yes and Angulo is learning that art. While Vanes is indeed faster of foot than both James and Perro I venture to say both can get to their opponent as fast as Vanes simply because they do not waste their movement on bouncing from the outside ala Vanes

or simply box from a comfortable range against a Cotto, Mosley etc.

you think that what Manny and Floyd to these two Vanes could repliacte? really?

at some point, both of these would test Vanes makeup and I venture to say that overall skillset and experience would get the better of Vanes with both of these guys

Calling him a bum is simply a ridiculous statement to make as that term is way overused in general, and certainly doesn't fit the bill in this specific instance.

doesn't fit the bill at all and I agree

however stop making him out to be some world beater

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Vanes should pay Buboy if Manny knocks him down

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while the term bum is wrong for Vanes you make him out to be something he is clearly not

here let's breakdown your post



handspeed is one thing but when you really aren't sitting down on your shots then it goes wasted unless you are a boxer who relies solely on movement to get you by.

at some point if you have a credible opponent in front of you they will recognize that your power is sacrificed in order to gain handspeed and start walking you down.

we saw that clearly in the Ouma fight, a fight in which many thought Vanes lost



actually his footwork is quite questionable because he tends to bounce way too much to get any real torque on his punches. He also tends to pursue way more than a fighter of his nature should.


no he doesn't he is rather stationary in his upper torso for a guy who tries to utilize his movement as an asset.



maybe but I see a guy who lets smaller men dictate pace and range moreso.



this where you lost me

Vernon was very disciplined in his movement and punch output. Everything was economical and with purpose. He was a predator, always agressive even when he wasn't all out attacking you could see where he wanted to.

Vanes to me is wasted motion and an overabundance of things he does not need to be effective.



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against a guy who had never been proven. We kind of saw what we may see from Vanes moreso with the Ouma fight than the Greene fight IMO.



plodding isn't as simple as you make it out to be

or these guys fleet of foot? no

however, do these guys move economically to their opponent? Kirkland yes and Angulo is learning that art. While Vanes is indeed faster of foot than both James and Perro I venture to say both can get to their opponent as fast as Vanes simply because they do not waste their movement on bouncing from the outside ala Vanes



you think that what Manny and Floyd to these two Vanes could repliacte? really?

at some point, both of these would test Vanes makeup and I venture to say that overall skillset and experience would get the better of Vanes with both of these guys


doesn't fit the bill at all and I agree

however stop making him out to be some world beater

Man, that's what I call an excellent debate and rebuttal. I see you have an unconditional passion for this sweet science like I and appreciate the insight and knowledge you dropped; extremely lucid counterclaims and great analysis! In no way was I trying to make this kid out to be a "world beater" and apologize if that's how it came across. But no, I can't and won't simply discard the Greene matchup as Greene just being this wet-behind-the-ears, inexperienced style that Vanes could easily exploit. I'm sure you are aware that they were tit for tat in the amateurs and many insiders actually tagged Greene to be a much better pro. Hindsight allows us to brush off Greene as such, but that's not reality when you would have viewed the matchup, styles and their amateur background/friendship/(fierce competition) pre-fight! But one thing's for certain, just strip away all the window dressing and the main point still remains: We both agree that the use of "bum" by previous posters on this thread was an uneducated and misinformed comment.

Much respect bro-