How is it exactly that Margarito is 'shot'?

[Mayabang]

I never get this logic. So if a boxer loses and gets knocked out he's automatically shot? At first I actually thought it was because he's getting older, but I just realized that Margarito is just 9 months older than pac! They both were born 1978. So what gives!?

If Marg can handle Pac's power, then I really think Marg can pull a major upset. Dude is fighting for redemption and for his country, including all Mexican fighters that Pac has ****d.

I find it mindboggling to see some of you guys not being excited with this fight. Coz whether it's 1 sided or a war, the fight is gonna be entertaining as hell.

[THE REED]

Fernando Vargas is 33....

[Jack Napier]

people don't know the difference between past prime and shot
Tony isn't what he was, but still a viable fighter

[THE REED]

Eric Morales is 34

[THE REED]

Marg isn't shot... but I wouldn't call him prime.

[Mayabang]

Marg isn't shot... but I wouldn't call him prime.

I'm not saying he is prime either, but what determines if someone is prime?
Was he prime when he fought Cotto? Let's say he was, how is it that all of a sudden he's not prime anymore, only because Shane Mosley KO'd him??? It's not like Tony was lights out on that fight either.

If Marg performs brilliant against Pac, win or lose, won't you consider that he is prime based on how brilliant he performed?

[El 7 Mares V.2]

Marg isn't shot... but I wouldn't call him prime.

Finally I agree with you.

[Eaner0919]

I'm not saying he is prime either, but what determines if someone is prime?
Was he prime when he fought Cotto? Let's say he was, how is it that all of a sudden he's not prime anymore, only because Shane Mosley KO'd him??? It's not like Tony was lights out on that fight either.

If Marg performs brilliant against Pac, win or lose, won't you consider that he is prime based on how brilliant he performed?

no why would we?

if you actually follow the sport you will know that even past prime fighters pull together great fights or find a matchup that makes them look better than what they have left

Manny vs Morales is a perfect example of the first and Mosley vs Margarito the second statement

[El 7 Mares V.2]

I'm not saying he is prime either, but what determines if someone is prime?
Was he prime when he fought Cotto? Let's say he was, how is it that all of a sudden he's not prime anymore, only because Shane Mosley KO'd him??? It's not like Tony was lights out on that fight either.

If Marg performs brilliant against Pac, win or lose, won't you consider that he is prime based on how brilliant he performed?

Prime Margarito to me was the time everyone was avoiding him circa 2004-2006. He was just too destructive, methodical and quicker on his punches. He peaked during Cotto because he had the style to beat him plus he had been waiting for an opportunity like that pretty much all of his career.

[THE REED]

I'm not saying he is prime either, but what determines if someone is prime?
Was he prime when he fought Cotto? Let's say he was, how is it that all of a sudden he's not prime anymore, only because Shane Mosley KO'd him??? It's not like Tony was lights out on that fight either.

If Marg performs brilliant against Pac, win or lose, won't you consider that he is prime based on how brilliant he performed?

Age, punishment, inactivity...

It's not just the Mosley KO, in which his head was bounced around like a pingpong ball.. but even though he beat Cotto... he took a ridiculous amount of punishment in that fight... Cotto was landing 3-4 punch combinations on him... sure he walked through them, that doesn't mean it didn't later effect him...

I do think Marg came in under weight against Mosley, but I also think the Cotto punishment has had considerable effect on him as well... Not even mentioning the Williams fight which he took a lot of punishment in as well...

Couple that with a 14 month+ lay off... I can't possibly consider him prime at this point...

Now I don't believe age is the be all end all to one's prime, but it certainly does play a factor...

We have a 32 year old athlete, who has taken considerable damage, and considerable inactivity... In no way can I say he is prime..

And if he has a brilliant performance against Pac, it just means he had a brilliant post prime performance.

Hopkins looked brilliant against Pavlik... but he still wasn't prime.