Bute should laugh his ass off right now...

[Tiozzo]

Sorry for bad english, i meant Bute is not the one to blame for all this, cause he was not invited in that tournament. That tournament was not a good thing cause in boxing, the injuries are a big part of the game and look what happened, boxing is different from other sports, that's why it's very difficult to have 6 boxers in a tournament and have a clear winner at the end.

yes, it appears it is even more difficult than in the worst case scenario
one could have imagined

politics
promoters
home advantage
biased referees
injuries
diva attitude

it should have been an elimination tournament instead

at least, now we know it doesn't work...

meanwhile, Bute may be fighting soft opposition, but he's not entangled in a ****hole like that tourney has turned into and bounded by a contract on top of it...

[Tiozzo]

everyone whos been brought into the tournament>Brinkley

this is a no-brainer

suits you perfectly

[Tiozzo]

yeah pascal...my bad

he probably wont fight on as a cruiserweight if the green fight comes off though meaning he'll move back down and green's fanbase is in australia...if theres anything left of it after his last horrible handpicked fight. bute wants to hold on to that IBF title too much panda feels....he should follow in dawson's footsteps and just challenge the best title or no title

bute is on the verge of becoming a mainstream international phenomena...he has a very difficult and crowd pleasing style...he needs to take some risks man

hopkins called out bute before and now pascal's fighting him

Hopkins didn't want Bute
he just threw his name out there to look like a man who wants real challenges

big props to him though for accepting to fight Pascal...

[BattlingNelson]

Read my first post again please. I said an NSB duck. So it depends on how you interpret it.

Besides it is hard not to look at Pascal and not call that a duck and you know it.

And Kessler might be a gentleman like Bute (and the other supersixers for that matter), but he'd never turn down a top fighter like Bute did him.

[Tiozzo]

bute should fight someone good that's what he should do

even if that means moving up before the Super 6 ends ?

[black.ink]

yes, the profile of the participants has gotten better

on the other hand, the Super six participants also looked like ****en divas on many occasions, all of them, and now that the tourney is crumbling, well, it takes away some luster off the whole thing and its participants

before the tournament began, Bute had a better resume than Ward and Dirrell for sure, and we could make a case that he had a better resume than Froch too

Bute's name is still considered among the best because he got there before most Super six participants obviously

he was ranked no. 2 by the Ring magazine before Ward beat Kessler, and now, he is no. 1 (although I believe he should get dropped if Ward beats another man like AA)

I don't think you get my point. You're saying Bute should be laughing at the state of super-six and what it has come to. Yet, you even state that before the super-six, Bute had a better resume then Dirrell, Ward and arguably Froch.

So what does that mean after 2 fights each? They've surpassed Bute on quality of opponents?

My point is, the super-six has built each participant to be among the elite of the division. Before the tournament, people argued that the likes of Dirrell and Ward should not be competing. After 2 fights, Ward is being argued to be the best at 168 after dethroning Kessler, who after the defeat, won back the WBC title with a hard-fought win over Froch. The Brit also recieved his fair share of accolades for a great performance against Kessler, and a controversial decision over Dirrell, who himself bounced back and put on a great display against Abraham before the stoppage win.

Whatever happens through the politics of the sport isn't relevant. It's the fights that matter, and it's the fights that go down in history. The better the opponents each man faces, the more accolades he'll receive through his career. You can't shit on these men for being apart of a promising thing. I hate what it has come to, don't get me wrong....but the men taking part have done much more then anybody else in the division win or lose, and that is fight the best.

[Tiozzo]

And Kessler might be a gentleman like Bute (and the other supersixers for that matter), but he'd never turn down a top fighter like Bute did him.

Dirrell, Froch and Green are no gentlemen, just forget about that

did him ??? what does that mean ?

Bute didn't turn down Kessler if that's what you mean, and you exposed it yourself ironically

if you're talking about Pascal, as I have already stated, it cannot be considered a duck for now, cause Bute is still a SMW

here is what I really believe : in most cases, what people call ''ducks'' is actually just business picks and refusals, nothing really about fear and **** like that

Kessler was criticised for ducking Miranda in the past
I never believed it was a duck, just bad timing, or better fish to fry somewhere else

[Tiozzo]

I don't think you get my point. You're saying Bute should be laughing at the state of super-six and what it has come to. Yet, you even state that before the super-six, Bute had a better resume then Dirrell, Ward and arguably Froch.

So what does that mean after 2 fights each? They've surpassed Bute on quality of opponents?

My point is, the super-six has built each participant to be among the elite of the division. Before the tournament, people argued that the likes of Dirrell and Ward should not be competing. After 2 fights, Ward is being argued to be the best at 168 after dethroning Kessler, who after the defeat, won back the WBC title with a hard-fought win over Froch. The Brit also recieved his fair share of accolades for a great performance against Kessler, and a controversial decision over Dirrell, who himself bounced back and put on a great display against Abraham before the stoppage win.

Whatever happens through the politics of the sport isn't relevant. It's the fights that matter, and it's the fights that go down in history. The better the opponents each man faces, the more accolades he'll receive through his career. You can't shit on these men for being apart of a promising thing. I hate what it has come to, don't get me wrong....but the men taking part have done much more then anybody else in the division win or lose, and that is fight the best.

I did get your point

Bute should be laughing in the sense that he has been the laughing stock for a while because he was left out of what was supposed to be a great tournament, but now, he kind of has a sweet revenge with the tournament in pieces

soon, you'll see Bute fighting people who pulled out of the tournament while the tournament isn't even finished, that's so ****ing ironic

of course the participants can build a better resume than Bute has quickly, they're all fighting the best there is one after another, which is great

you say it's the fights that matter and go down in history
well, that's precisely what's falling apart, the great match-ups we were supposed to get, we won't have them
there are still quality fights to be made, but the spirit of the whole thing is virtually gone, it vanished with Dirrell and Kessler pulling out

I do not hit on these men, but it is a fact everybody has looked bad in his own way (Froch wanted to fight at home when it had been decided he would fight AA in Germany, Ward wanting all his fights in Oakland, etc), it almost appeared as if the fights were won outside the ring, well before the fights, thanks to politics and such things

if Bute is still a laughing stock, well, he ain't the only one

[BattlingNelson]

Dirrell, Froch and Green are no gentlemen, just forget about that

did him ??? what does that mean ?

Bute didn't turn down Kessler if that's what you mean, and you exposed it yourself ironically

if you're talking about Pascal, as I have already stated, it cannot be considered a duck for now, cause Bute is still a SMW

here is what I really believe : in most cases, what people call ''ducks'' is actually just business picks and refusals, nothing really about fear and **** like that

Kessler was criticised for ducking Miranda in the past
I never believed it was a duck, just bad timing, or better fish to fry somewhere else

You understood correctly. Sorry if my english came off wrong.

Froch is defeintely a gentleman. A loudmouth but a gentleman. So is Dirrell. Immature yes, but gentleman still. I think they all have presented themselves excellently in fightcamp 360.


And yes. In the end a lot comes down to business. I know that and you appareantly do as well. There's just differences in how you go about your business. It could also be argued that Haye is a wise businessman who should hold a degreee in marketing. He has made a ****load of cash by wearing a funny t-shirt with Wlad's decapitated head.

Yet most still call Haye a premier ducker.

[Tiozzo]

You understood correctly. Sorry if my english came off wrong.

Froch is defeintely a gentleman. A loudmouth but a gentleman. So is Dirrell. Immature yes, but gentleman still. I think they all have presented themselves excellently in fightcamp 360.


And yes. In the end a lot comes down to business. I know that and you appareantly do as well. There's just differences in how you go about your business. It could also be argued that Haye is a wise businessman who should hold a degreee in marketing. He has made a ****load of cash by wearing a funny t-shirt with Wlad's decapitated head.

Yet most still call Haye a premier ducker.

the difference is that Haye deserves to be called a ducker and a coward

he has been the one calling out the Klits in the first place, he has been talking a lot, he has had his opportunities to fight them and pulled out or turned them all down

it's not because a fighter gets called out by a lesser fighter or a lesser name that he automatically ducks if he turns it down (that is the reasoning of most people here unfortunately)

as for Haye, that's unforgivable, and god knows I defended the man in the beginning, I stopped defending him when he grabbed the WBA title and still couldn't come to terms with Wlad

however, yes, he had made a name for himself using his mouth (although it backfires on him quite a bit now), and he's even wise enough to sell a fight saying it will be completely one-sided and a massacre, just as everybody is expecting

Pascal (aside of Hopkins the comedian) is the only credible fighter that I know who has clearly said he wanted Bute

before he entered the super six, Froch said he would fight and beat Bute, and despite the fact that Bute was interested, the fight never came off (Bute was ringside for Taylor-Froch)