Manny Pacquiao - Weights Breakdown [Tale of the Tapes]

[cixthree]

I hope you know, weighing in at 129 then rehydrating to 145 is all water weight rite? Manny is all lean mass now, with your logic Manny should still be able to get down to 130... Jesus

[The Evil 1-2]

listen, i'm all for those tests as well.

but guess what, if he succumbed to those tests and passed them, do you think this pac hate is gonna stop?

guess again.

it's not gonna stop with the tests.

ppl are just sticking to the tests right now because it's one aspect where his avid followers really can't shake the haters off.

I'll agree with you to a certain extent. Some are always going to criticize the accomplishments of any athlete, no matter the sport. It's just a sad part of the game. However, some criticisms such as PED abuse need to be addressed and not simply passed off as another example of undeserved hate. The cloud of PED abuse really downgrades Pac's accomplishments even more than the criticisms against him for fighting catchweight bouts or "over-the-hill" boxers.

[Blooper]

I'll agree with you to a certain extent. Some are always going to criticize the accomplishments of any athlete, no matter the sport. It's just a sad part of the game. However, some criticisms such as PED abuse need to be addressed and not simply passed off as another example of undeserved hate. The cloud of PED abuse really downgrades Pac's accomplishments even more than the criticisms against him for fighting catchweight bouts or "over-the-hill" boxers.

i wasn't implying it shouldn't be addressed.

but this thread isn't about ped use and my posts weren't trying to downgrade it's significance.

but the fact remains that even if he passes those tests, it wouldn't be enough to turn haters into non-haters.

they'll just come up with more excuses to undermine him.

those ppl are at the point of no return.

[PacquiaoATG]

Sorry boys. Pacquiao is special and that what's all about. Haters just keep doing this

[The Evil 1-2]

i wasn't implying it shouldn't be addressed.

but this thread isn't about ped use and my posts weren't trying to downgrade it's significance.

but the fact remains that even if he passes those tests, it wouldn't be enough to turn haters into non-haters.

they'll just come up with more excuses to undermine him.

those ppl are at the point of no return.

This thread is very well-connected to SUPPOSED PED use and its significance. The reason there was such an uproar for the public release of the test results in the Pac and Marg bout was because of the PED accusations against Pac.

As for your concern of people coming "up with more excuses to undermine him (Pac)", I addressed that with the statement, "some are always going to criticize the accomplishments of any athlete, no matter the sport."

[VoodooChild]

I hope you know, weighing in at 129 then rehydrating to 145 is all water weight rite? Manny is all lean mass now, with your logic Manny should still be able to get down to 130... Jesus

You've never cut weight before have you? I've cut 15 lbs of water in one day before and i was at 6% body fat.

[Khalid X]

something I found interesting is the fact that two of the top LW's in the world, Katsidis and Rios, are actually bigger than Manny. Both come in over 150 on fight night and the typical large LW comes in 145-150 on fight night.

Pac can make LW still, but the money keeps him at WW. I can only image if he actually cut weight like everyone else and fought guys his own size. I think he would go on a 80's Tyson like tear, destroying all these guys within 5-6 rounds or less.

[empiricix]

This thread is very well-connected to SUPPOSED PED use and its significance. The reason there was such an uproar for the public release of the test results in the Pac and Marg bout was because of the PED accusations against Pac.

As for your concern of people coming "up with more excuses to undermine him (Pac)", I addressed that with the statement, "some are always going to criticize the accomplishments of any athlete, no matter the sport."

Public uproar? The posts of a few haters now constitute a public uproar?

Arum was the one talking to HBO's Ross Greenburg, who was in turn talking to Al Haymon. Arum stated that he agreed without ANY CONDITIONS to Haymon's demands, but Haymon couldn't deliver his boy despite that. This was supported by Greenburg, who stated that there was no other sticking points during the negotiations.

Koncz was talking out of his ass as usual. Pac himself said that he was willing to give Mayweather whatever he wants just to see if he really was interested.

All Floyd had to do is say "Let's fight" and the fight gets made. It's that simple. All the rest are just smokescreens that he, his father, his uncle and *****s are putting up to obfuscate the issue.

[The Evil 1-2]

Public uproar? The posts of a few haters now constitute a public uproar?

Arum was the one talking to HBO's Ross Greenburg, who was in turn talking to Al Haymon. Arum stated that he agreed without ANY CONDITIONS to Haymon's demands, but Haymon couldn't deliver his boy despite that. This was supported by Greenburg, who stated that there was no other sticking points during the negotiations.

Koncz was talking out of his ass as usual. Pac himself said that he was willing to give Mayweather whatever he wants just to see if he really was interested.

All Floyd had to do is say "Let's fight" and the fight gets made. It's that simple. All the rest are just smokescreens that he, his father, his uncle and *****s are putting up to obfuscate the issue.

The story to have the public receive the results ended up on the reporting agenda of ESPN. In that sense, yes, there was enough public clamor for it to be reported by a big sports news organization such as ESPN.

I just find it absurd that you consider Arum's word and NOT CONSIDER Koncz's word. If I'm not mistaken, Koncz is a personal adviser to Manny and is highly integral to his affairs as a boxer and overall personality.

As for USADA random testing, let's not look at it as Pac giving into Floyd's demands, but as an avenue to IMPROVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE SPORT.

[empiricix]

The story to have the public receive the results ended up on the reporting agenda of ESPN. In that sense, yes, there was enough public clamor for it to be reported by a big sports news organization such as ESPN.

I just find it absurd that you consider Arum's word and NOT CONSIDER Koncz's word. If I'm not mistaken, Koncz is a personal adviser to Manny and is highly integral to his affairs as a boxer and overall personality.

As for USADA random testing, let's not look at it as Pac giving into Floyd's demands, but as an avenue to IMPROVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE SPORT.

Koncz is a tool. Sorry.

Pac and Arum have both stated for the record that they would accept the random OST. The ball is in Floyd's court, or rather, in the court's court.

Let's just hope that, as boxing fans, we get to see this fight made without any doubts as to the levelness of the playing field.