Pacquiao to be more elusive against Margarito

[The Gambler1981]

Maybe not elusive ala Whitaker.

But, he can fight in a control manner, not take many risk, not be there to be hit, not stand straight in front of you, and be cautious. Manny can fight like this and be effective.

He did it with Oscar yea Oscar was done but Manny fought a discipline fight.

I expect him to show the same discipline in this fight. I don't see him staying on the ropes ala he did with Cotto or stay in front of Margarito at times like he did with Clottey. Just keep moving and turning.

Manny main control over a fight is maintaining a distance that is adventageous to him. Manny is not an inside fighter in the least so if he gets to far in he can't do much and he doesn't have long arms so really far on the outside is out also, but at his distance which is where he does major business.

It is very hard to control range in that way because it has to be almost perfect to work (it is also why I don't like him against master boxers because that is easier to take away than maintain) but it has been working.

Of course he is disciplined though he is at the apex of the sport that requires immense discipline, he is just not that versitile a fighter but what he does he does excellent but being excellent in certain areas can be almost as effective aslong as the fighter maintains what they do well (or run into the wrong guy).

[Gutz]

Would probably be a mistake for them to venture to far away from what works best for them, and being elusive is not one of Manny's main strengths.

A big part of boxing strategy is to do what you do effectively while taking away what the other guy does well, but if you have to go against your strengths to limit the other guy that is usually not a winning strategy.

LOL being elusive work great vs Oscar, Hatton and Diaz..


Do you even watch Pacquaio fights.. or all you do is diss him??/

[Siggy]

Their gameplan is always the same, it works because Manny is good enough in that way that he can limit other fighters by doing just that.

Margarito has range on Manny keep in mind even if he doesn't fight overly big (in a range sence) anyone with a range advantage should not really get beat by angles.

i disagree with this entire post.
they dont always have the same game plan every fight and speed + angles can neutralize range.

[The Gambler1981]

i disagree with this entire post.
they dont always have the same game plan every fight and speed + angles can neutralize range.

No it doesn't, getting in close and beating the shit out of a dude neutralizes range.

Also how does their plan differ from Manny go in there and go to work? The real startegy is making sure the guys they fight are susceptable to what they do~

[The Gambler1981]

LOL being elusive work great vs Oscar, Hatton and Diaz..


Do you even watch Pacquaio fights.. or all you do is diss him??/

Those guys weren't very good.

Hatton fight didn't last so what can you really gather strategy wise, or did Manny plan to land a huge punch with his eyes closed?

Diaz, who cares

Oscar at one time was a good boxer, but during the time they fought considering what Oscar did leading up to the fight, he could never win.


I wasn't even talking **** I was merely bringing up that Manny is only that great when he fights in the way that suits his style, if he fights differently he won't look near as good.


Same question to you do you even watch Manny fight or do you just enjoy sucking his **** so much~?

[Siggy]

No it doesn't, getting in close and beating the shit out of a dude neutralizes range.

Also how does their plan differ from Manny go in there and go to work? The real startegy is making sure the guys they fight are susceptable to what they do~

so u think thats all manny does? get inside and beat the sht out of his opponents?
what he does is more complex than ur making it seem.
watch the footwork. watch the angles.
u dont see manny set up angles (for offensive and defensive purposes) by turning after throwing combos?
u dont see how he gets fighters off balance by slipping punches, feinting or touching?
same move every time?

manny's not a one dimensional brawler who just looks to get inside and beat the sht out of his opponent. if he does not languish in punching range like he did vs cotto and clottey, then yes, he is being more elusive.
the most overlooked aspect of manny's improvement over his years is his improved footwork.

i except more turning, pivoting and slipping out the back door when margarito applies his pressure. margarito cannot handle manny's foot speed/footwork and will look like he's chasing a ghost. is that not being elusive?

[The Gambler1981]

so u think thats all manny does? get inside and beat the sht out of his opponents?
what he does is more complex than ur making it seem.
watch the footwork. watch the angles.
u dont see manny set up angles (for offensive and defensive purposes) by turning after throwing combos?
u dont see how he gets fighters off balance by slipping punches, feinting or touching?
same move every time?

manny's not a one dimensional brawler who just looks to get inside and beat the sht out of his opponent. if he does not languish in punching range like he did vs cotto and clottey, then yes, he is being more elusive.
the most overlooked aspect of manny's improvement over his years is his improved footwork.

i except more turning, pivoting and slipping out the back door when margarito applies his pressure. margarito cannot handle manny's foot speed/footwork and will look like he's chasing a ghost. is that not being elusive?

Read what I said, Manny is not an inside fighter either he fights at his range.

You are making it complex when what Manny does is rather simple, Manny wants to get in his range and do damage, that is it. he doesn't overly care about what he takes aslong as he is getting at the other guy to get his.

Manny is there to be hit though, he is not that elusive but fighters do become less active and hit him less over the course of the fight because they get tired of taking damage before Manny.

If Manny fights in such a way he will either look like ass or get beat~ which I don't expect to happean because Manny doesn't need to do anything like that to win going in there and being himslef should be more than enough.

[Gutz]

Those guys weren't very good.

Hatton fight didn't last so what can you really gather strategy wise, or did Manny plan to land a huge punch with his eyes closed?

Diaz, who cares

Oscar at one time was a good boxer, but during the time they fought considering what Oscar did leading up to the fight, he could never win.


I wasn't even talking **** I was merely bringing up that Manny is only that great when he fights in the way that suits his style, if he fights differently he won't look near as good.


Same question to you do you even watch Manny fight or do you just enjoy sucking his **** so much~?

LOL what type of question is that.. Just like a ***** *****. Always asking about sucking ****.. or caring on how much money a man makes... Dude grow a pair of balls and talk about boxing instead of ****s..

****ing *****s..

[Pin Galarga]

You got to love all this strategy talk from both camps.
What strategy??? Both fight all their opponents the same way and I never seen neither changing strategy for any fight.

It's ok to sound smart, but at the end they both are going to do what they do and all that "strategy" talk goes out the window as soon as the 1st bell sounds.

[The Gambler1981]

LOL what type of question is that.. Just like a ***** *****. Always asking about sucking ****.. or caring on how much money a man makes... Dude grow a pair of balls and talk about boxing instead of ****s..

****ing *****s..

Sorry your feeling are hurt~ and that you can't take part in a rational disscussion.

Once again apply the last line to yourself since you just did the same thing~


Also please bring up when I mentioned Floyd in this thread (before now) this thread has nothing to do with Floyd. Sorry that you take any critique on Manny's style as an attack on him~ most others didn't seem to share your issues with what I said~