Comments Thread For: Abraham: Floyd Mayweather Would Beat Manny Pacquiao

[sicko]

[QUOTE=KingOfBox;9332640]

[Zab Judah, Mosley and JMM were not as fast as Pacquiao. but probably ur kidding right? you forgot to mention though, Manny was a 3 time Fighter of the Year and a Fighter of a Decade which no one you mentioned ever won it. and they were not P4P King right right now? so if you seriously comparing Manny Pacquiao to Judah, Mosley and Marquez u already lost the argument. Manny is way better than those 3 when Floyd fought them. i dont care if JMM had 2 close fights against Manny but we all know Manny's best weight is around 140 -145 lbs and JMM's best weight is around 130-134 lbs. /QUOTE]

.... SMH ..... ^ herb. Judah is way faster than Pacquiao and Mosley is close. Mayweather is faster than all 4 of them anyway. The point is its easy to look like you got handspeed when u stand in front of cotto, morales, and all the rest of the hispanic encyclopedia Manny has fought (no offense, im also hispanic). I just know that Mayweather, Berto, Judah, Bradley, Alexander, Mosley are Manny's worst nightmare with all that handspeed!
Even Manny said prior to the cotto fight, "speed kills and conquers all". He always wants to be the faster fighter and control opponents' weights... Fight at the official weight classes. Until Floyd is proven wrong, he is still #1.

Faster and more skilled overall, Judah just lacked the discipline and the work ethic and was more worried about keeping his street credibility back in Brooklyn then he was about his boxing career, he also should have went with a different training then his dad, Yoel Judah was horrible under pressure, all he did was YELL a Zab in the corner when Zab was in trouble

but Judah physically was one of the most gifted fighters I have seen, even Mayweather admired his talent but he knew he could beat Judah MENTALLY and he did

[Khalid X]

@ sicko

I use to think Judah was faster but I realize how wrong I was for ever thinking that.

Look at the common opponents and it's easy to see who is faster between Judah and Pacquiao.

Cotto was never overwhelmed by Judah but there was a moment in the 4th round (can't remember) of Cotto vs Pacquiao, in which it looked like Manny pressed the turbo button and complete blew Cotto away with his speed. Also throughout the fight Manny keeped overwhelming Miguel with his speed.


Now lets look at the Clottey fight. Joshua had no problems with Judah's speed and even started to time and dominate him prior to the stoppage. In Pac vs Clottey, Joshua stated that Manny was just too fast for him

Finally let's take the David Diaz fight. I watched Judah as an amatuer (via downloads etc) and he was just as fast then as he ever was. Diaz had no issuues with Judahs speed (I actually saw a d/l version of that bout) wheares Diaz stated Manny was "way too ****in fast" for him.

I mean if we have 3 guys saying the same thing, "Manny is way too fast and the fastest they have ever seen", whereas there is no mention of Judah's speed being an issue, then any unbiased person can see Manny is way faster than Judah (prime included).

[joelab75]

[QUOTE=KingOfBox;9332640]

[Zab Judah, Mosley and JMM were not as fast as Pacquiao. but probably ur kidding right? you forgot to mention though, Manny was a 3 time Fighter of the Year and a Fighter of a Decade which no one you mentioned ever won it. and they were not P4P King right right now? so if you seriously comparing Manny Pacquiao to Judah, Mosley and Marquez u already lost the argument. Manny is way better than those 3 when Floyd fought them. i dont care if JMM had 2 close fights against Manny but we all know Manny's best weight is around 140 -145 lbs and JMM's best weight is around 130-134 lbs. /QUOTE]

.... SMH ..... ^ herb. Judah is way faster than Pacquiao and Mosley is close. Mayweather is faster than all 4 of them anyway. The point is its easy to look like you got handspeed when u stand in front of cotto, morales, and all the rest of the hispanic encyclopedia Manny has fought (no offense, im also hispanic). I just know that Mayweather, Berto, Judah, Bradley, Alexander, Mosley are Manny's worst nightmare with all that handspeed!
Even Manny said prior to the cotto fight, "speed kills and conquers all". He always wants to be the faster fighter and control opponents' weights... Fight at the official weight classes. Until Floyd is proven wrong, he is still #1.

Judah was no way faster than Manny. not hand speed and foot speed. i dont buy that. but if you think Judah is WAY faster than Manny what happened to his career? he faced Cotto who fights toe to toe and Cotto KNOCK THE **** OUT OF Judah right? Cotto got some hand speed too when he beat the better version of Mosley who like u said one of Manny's worst nightmares. i think you need to watch more boxing.

is that how bad Manny as a boxer? all the black boxers are Manny's nightmares? watch some more of Manny's fight and watch Alexander, Bradley, Mosley and Berto's fight then you think again. if you still think those guys you mentioned would beat Manny i think you need to stop watching boxing and start watching tennis or golf.the only "black boxer who has a chance to beat Manny is Floyd. but i still believe at this point Manny will K.O. Floyd.

[joelab75]

ive never heard anyone specially a common opponents like Clottey and Cotto having a problem with Judah's speed. so how the hell you guys think he was faster than Manny? even JMM said Manny was really fast. so was Dela Hoya, Diaz, Cotto and CLottey. Hatton didnt have time to praise him Manny because he got embarrassed.

[sicko]

@ sicko

I use to think Judah was faster but I realize how wrong I was for ever thinking that.

Look at the common opponents and it's easy to see who is faster between Judah and Pacquiao.

Cotto was never overwhelmed by Judah but there was a moment in the 4th round (can't remember) of Cotto vs Pacquiao, in which it looked like Manny pressed the turbo button and complete blew Cotto away with his speed. Also throughout the fight Manny keeped overwhelming Miguel with his speed.


Now that the Clottey fight. Joshua had no problems with Judah's speed and even started to time and dominate him prior to the stoppage. In Pac vs Clottey, Joshua stated that Manny was just too fast for him

Now take the David Diaz fight. I watched Judah as an amatuer (via downloads etc) and he was just as fast then as he ever was. Diaz had no issuues with Judahs speed (I actually saw a d/l version of that bout) wheares Diaz stated Manny was "way too ****in fast" for him.

I mean if we have 3 guys saying the same thing, "Manny is way too fast and the fastest they have ever seen", whereas there is no mention of Judah's speed being an issue, then any unbiased person can see Manny is way faster than Judah (prime included).

proving more point even further that physical ability alone is not enough, you guys are taking it as if more talent means "someone is a better fighter then the other" and that is not the case at all, sure Zab had more natural ability then Pacman as far as speed and skills but Manny is the better fighter, nobody ever said he wasn't, Zab was faster then Manny not only hand speed but footwork as well and Zab was a way better fight INSIDE then Manny

common opponents really don't mean much, nor is it a good way to measure someones speed, fans try to use the Triangle Method too much to try and determine the outcome of a fight or how a fight will play out, just when some people say "Well Manny beat Hatton and Oscar faster/better then Mayweather so Manny will beat Mayweather because of that" lol

not only that but Cotto back in 2007 (UNDEFEATED AND IN HIS PRIME) was a different fighter compared to the 2009 Cotto, 2008 Clottey was a different fighter compared to the 2010 Clottey

bottom line is that nobody can never argue Zab's talent and natural abilities, what ruined him was his lack of discipline, thinking that he could just show up to a fight without working hard and he can just get by on his natural abilities, that was Zab's downfall, it had nothing to do with the fact that he "Lacked Skills", Zab also lacked HEART, when things didn't go his way he would just GIVES UP!

and by the way Manny is the SMALLER GUY so yeah he may look faster just looking at a few clips but the way Zab was able to put Combos together and ACCURATELY and NOT just a bunch of quick WILD Punches, Zab was faster from what I have seen

[Franco2012]

Who is this guy Abraham,he aint no boxing expert!

[jtiger78]

that wild high punch rate sh#t won't work against mayweather, you can get into the ring and think you are going to be able to do what usually works against slow, flat footed, one-dimensional fighters but you will be in for a long night

it is easy to use a high work rate against a flat footed fighter that stand in front of you the entire fight (which lets be honest, that is mostly what manny been going up against since moving up), it is extremely hard to maintain the high work rate against a moving target, mayweather can stay outside and make manny miss all night and pick him off, as good as manny is his major weakness is his defense...he is not hard to hit, even slower guys like clottey had no problem landing punches on him when he actually did let his hands go, now you go against a guy with amazing speed and footwork and ridiculous punching accuracy against a guy who leaves himself open a lot...to me from a stylistic stand point it is a horrible match up for pacman, his only hope is the land something big and ko mayweather and he would have to do it early in the fight because he can't out-box him and once mayweather makes his adjustments then it is a 12 round boxing clinic and pacman fans crying about "mayweather is running because manny can't land anything"

just like the fight against jmm i think mayweather stays outside the entire fight and just picks him apart and frustrates him to the point were he just starts lunging forward trying to land any type of power punch leaving himself open even more

to beat mayweather...well to at least give him a good fight, you have to be a smart fighter, you can't try to beat him with just your physical ability, you have to box with him, a consistent jab, attack the body and be very unpredictable the entire fight

but regardless this debate is useless if they don't actually fight

great post!!!!!!!!!!!

[jtiger78]

who is this guy abraham,he aint no boxing expert!

hes only a professional boxer...

[str8jay31]

For everybody comparing Zab n Pac speed... Zab is faster than Pac the difference is that Zab pot shots while Pac throws punches in bunches that's y Cotto n Clottey were overwhelmed wit Pac's hand speed

[megadeth]

Class above Pac is pushing it a bit. Hey some people would agree with Abraham, and much much more would think he is talking BS.

But Floyd dont share Abrahams opinion. Of course he'll take opinions like that if you offer him it, but he dont even believe it. Otherwise Pac would already be on his resume.

I guess Pac does believe it, otherwise, he would've fought Floyd in March.