Some Stuff you may not know about Al Haymon

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Pac has thrown nearly 1000 punches in each of his last two fights. When a fighter begins to slow down, it shows in his punch output. Kinda like...Margarito in his last two fights.

Pac has slowed down.

He punchers a lot because the fighters he faces are slower also.
Also because of his angles, he can hit more now instead of just that left after his jab.

2008



2010:



It is hard to tell perhaps from the video's, but to me Pac is slower now.

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Pac has slowed down.

He punchers a lot because the fighters he faces are slower also.
Also because of his angles, he can hit more now instead of just that left after his jab.

2008



2010:



It is hard to tell perhaps from the video's, but to me Pac is slower now.

Dude, his punch output hasn't changed. End of story. Has he slowed down? Maybe. But his Cotto win ranks right up there with almost any other. It's ludicrous to compare his slowing down to Margarito's. Actually it's pretty dumb but let's keep going.

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Face looking bad is one thing. Bottom line is that Pac is superhuman while Margarito is showing what countless wars can do. Period.

Yes Marg is showing signs of slipping, but that can be said for all fighters at a certain stage too.

Pac is slipping also though. As a Pac fan I can see it, but he is still very good.

I can also see Floyd slipping too.

I already saw Mosely, Cotto, JMM etc... slip too.

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Dude, his punch output hasn't changed. End of story. Has he slowed down? Maybe. But his Cotto win ranks right up there with almost any other. It's ludicrous to compare his slowing down to Margarito's. Actually it's pretty dumb but let's keep going.

I never said his punch output changed.

I said he is not in his physical prime anymore.

Agree or not?

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I never said his punch output changed.

I said he is not in his physical prime anymore.

Agree or not?

I can't tell. He threw nearly 1300 punches in his last fight. I don't care what his opponent was doing, that's ridiculous.

Second, Margarito got his **** pushed back by Mosley and looked mediocre against Garcia. The comparison to Pacquiao is so dumb that you have to be a complete d*ckrider to make it. No disrespect but I'm just gonna keep it real with you. No need for me to play along.

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I can't tell. He threw nearly 1300 punches in his last fight. I don't care what his opponent was doing, that's ridiculous.

Second, Margarito got his **** pushed back by Mosley and looked mediocre against Garcia. The comparison to Pacquiao is so dumb that you have to be a complete d*ckrider to make it. No disrespect but I'm just gonna keep it real with you. No need for me to play along.

I never said Pac has slipped as much as Marg. I am saying from a Pac fans point of view, he has slipped. I have seen many of his fights and just noticed the speed is less and his face is showing more damage.

If you don't care what Clottey was doing then perhaps you don't box yourself which is Okay with me.

Here's a boxing lesson 101.

Punching someone who is there to be hit is a lot easier than missing. When you miss you get more tired. Since Clottey was in his gaurd, of course Pac will punch him.

Pac has slowed down, do some research if you are nto sure.

This is not fun and games, this is a debate.

I agreed Marg has slipped mroe than Pac, but to act like Pac has not is ludicrous. Infact it is dumb to think that Pac at his age has not slipped physically.

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I think most who have been fair about it have been but looking at the facts I can totally understand why they feel this will be a lopsided beatdown

Tony is a fighter who takes 2 to give 1 always has been. He had to go through wars to get to the point he was at on Jan 24th 2009. That, no matter how tough you are, takes a toll on you.

Manny meanwhile has ascend the divisions and seemingly has gotten better in every aspect of the game and while yes Manny has been in some wars he has not seen one since March of 2008 while Tony was in one a year after Manny

that's why people are skeptical and to me, while you won't find a bigger Margarito supporter on here, I understand the skepticism

I will say I haven't seen him this hungry since the 2nd Cintron fight. At that moment he knew if he not only won but won convincingly he would get the Cotto so he trained like a man possessed

yes moreso than the Cotto fight

it's alright to be skeptical looking at his most recent performances but it's also very normal for fighters to have ups and downs in their career and sometimes you would think they can no longer get to competetive form. for me it's not fair to gauge his chances from his last fight alone. besides the guy got suspended for 1 year and suffered so much psychologically from the handwraps controversy that's why i don't see the garcia fight as something negative for him. and like you said, he's very motivated for this fight and that's what he needs to get his confidence back and perform better.

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I am also gone. Since I am debating with a guy who is unable to analyse a fighter and see if he slips unless the guy has to get KO'd, and on his comeback fight he looks rubbish VS a top 100 opponent.

Sometimes it is better to debate with someone who can see the subtleties rather than with an ogre who is flat fisted and needs a sign post to tell him where the toilet in his house is.

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I never said Pac has slipped as much as Marg. I am saying from a Pac fans point of view, he has slipped. I have seen many of his fights and just noticed the speed is less and his face is showing more damage.

If you don't care what Clottey was doing then perhaps you don't box yourself which is Okay with me.

Here's a boxing lesson 101.

Punching someone who is there to be hit is a lot easier than missing. When you miss you get more tired. Since Clottey was in his gaurd, of course Pac will punch him.

Pac has slowed down, do some research if you are nto sure.

This is not fun and games, this is a debate.

I agreed Marg has slipped mroe than Pac, but to act like Pac has not is ludicrous. Infact it is dumb to think that Pac at his age has not slipped physically.

Sure Pac has slipped. So did Roy Jones when he turned 21. He wasn't as fast as he was at 17. The point being...SO? You just brought it up like it mattered when we were discussing Margarito. It doesn't. And what was dumb was to bring it up. No go somewhere with your d*ckriding ****, homey.

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I suppose Hopkins didn't slip a few years back because he looked great VS Pavlik.

IMDAZED, you are true to your name. I congratulate you for doing so well debating with me with your condition.