Manny Pacquaio: The Real Reason He Won't Fight Any Junior Welterweights

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  • War Dinamita
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    #191
    Originally posted by revs1227
    cuz they bring no money ****** ****sss
    Khan brings no money? He's a top 5 draw in the sport and never sold a PPV in the US.

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    • jrosales13
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      #192
      Originally posted by Poochiao
      Khan would be still be a talented fighter without Roach because of his talent, but he's not beating any of the top guys without Roach. People underestimate Roach's impact on a fighter. We already saw what happened to Khan before he started working with Roach.

      Do you think Manny would still be the fighter he is today if Buboy was his trainer instead of Roach? He's not beating Floyd without Roach and he knows it.
      Why are you talking about Floyd? My isse is not Mayweather. Khan is not Floyd Mayweather.

      Now do I think Pac can beat Khan with Buboy in his corner? Yes I think so. You acting like Pac is a tomato can without Roach. Like if Pac is not talented at all. Yes he is better with Roach cuz of Roach gameplaning and the chemistry they have. But, you put Roach in with Khan and have Buboy in with Pac. And, IMO Pac still wins a very competitive fight. However, you put Pac with Roach and Khan with another trainer. And, is not even a competitve fight. Pac would knock Khan out.

      My problem with your statement is that you think Pac is just not talented and Khan got so much talent that he could a bigger threat than Margarito without Roach. And, no I just don't buy that at all. Why? Because, of a sparring match? Come on.... You should know more about the sport to realize a sparring match really doesn't mean much in a real boxing fight.

      At the end Khan deserves the fight more than Margarito. But, Margarito with Garcia in his corner at 150 is a bigger threat than Khan without Roach at 140-147.

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      • cleaner147
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        #193
        Originally posted by PureBoxingCEO
        By Douglas Batiste (Featured Columnist) on September 24, 2010

        June 2008, Manny Pacquaio moved up in weight to fight David Diaz for his WBC Lightweight Championship.

        Diaz was knocked out in the ninth round.

        That would be the only time he fought in the weight class. The very next year, Pacquaio fought at Junior Welterweight for the first time in his career, and again he knocked Ricky Hatton out in the second round to win his first title and only title in that division.

        Later that year, he fought Miguel Cotto at the Welterweight division at a catch weight of 145 pounds. He won that fight with a 12th-round stoppage, awarding him his first title in the Welterweight Division.

        Since then, Manny Pacquaio hasn’t defended either belt at lightweight or Junior Welterweight. Floyd Mayweather would have been his first title defense at either weight class in almost two years if the negotiation were successful.

        In the last two years, Manny Pacquaio has received three belts in three different weight classes. If he is successful November 13, that will be his fourth in two years.

        Sounds real accomplished, but what’s also su****ious is none of the belts were ever defended.

        I’m starting to think that Manny is not interested in fighting any top contenders in any of these weight classes. If he is able to put away Antonio Margarito for the vacated Super Welterweight WBC title, you can bet he won’t be defending that title either.


        Floyd Mayweather versus Manny Pacquaio is the dream fight, but right now seems really unlikely, since Floyd is having personal battles of his own.

        Although we don’t have Floyd Mayweather, we still have the other person in that equation, and he’ll fight anyone. At least that’s what Top Rank is selling, but I’ve been observing closely, and I’ve realized its one place he won’t go.

        The Junior Welterweight is full of great talent: Timothy Bradley, Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, and Juan Marquez. The problem with this division is only the informed boxing fan will recognize these names and the talent they possess.

        Right now, this division is not a money bag, but if you insert one name “Manny Pacquaio,” this division will reign supreme.

        All of these fighters present a great threat to Pac-Man’s career because they all can fight. They are young, smart, and no one is one-dimensional.

        These guys are not the walk-in, straight-line fighters Freddie Roach typically pairs his fighter against. In 2009, after beating Ricky Hatton, Pacquaio didn’t stick around to allow them to expose him either.

        By far, destroying Miguel Cotto was his greatest accomplishment, but what is getting overwhelmingly obvious is Manny Pacquaio, for the last few years has been fighting losers instead of winners. De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and now Margarito make up his last five fights, and all suffered career-changing losses right before he chose to fight them.

        Boxing has always been a sport where your last fight determines your future. If you win, your chances to fight the best increases; if you lose, you go to the end of the line.

        Somehow, Top Rank and Manny Pacquaio have rerouted the map to the top. In recent history, only if you lose in a big fight can you qualify to fight Manny Pacquaio.
        this guy is a boat buyer ****sucker, I stopped read where I bolded it. enough is enough...man what a waste of time reading this bull****.

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        • AnthalaX
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          #194
          Originally posted by Poochiao
          Khan brings no money? He's a top 5 draw in the sport and never sold a PPV in the US.
          Marg brings more money in than Khan...fact... plus he's GBP, Marg is TR..fact..

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          • joelab75
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            #195
            Originally posted by Motofan
            Easy. Diaz was nobody. If Pac hadnt beat Ricky, one of these new guys would have. If he didnt beat Oscar, one of the new guys would have. Cotto was a good win, but there are fighters that could beat Cotto worse then Pac did. So Pac moved up to fight guys that were on the way out anyways and coming off of losses. Guys that come forward and had limited defense. Manny would get tougher fights from several guys at lower weights then he will from Margarito, another slow, plodding, come forward fighter coming off a loss. Pac is a cherry picking machine. And I like Manny. Its just reality.
            name me fighters who would beat Cotto worse than Manny did? none in 140 lbs would even U.D. Cotto. definitely none in a 147s lbs. so WTF u talking about? remember Manny came from 140 lbs when he fought Cotto. Cotto would destroy Bradley, Khan, Alexander in 145 lbs. that aint no cherry picking. Fighting Cotto and Clottey in welterweight was not cherry picking. Fighting a lightweight in a welterweight division is DEFINITELY CHERRY PICKING.

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              #196
              Originally posted by jrosales13
              Why are you talking about Floyd? My isse is not Mayweather. Khan is not Floyd Mayweather.

              Now do I think Pac can beat Khan with Buboy in his corner? Yes I think so. You acting like Pac is a tomato can without Roach. Like if Pac is not talented at all. Yes he is better with Roach cuz of Roach gameplaning and the chemistry they have. But, you put Roach in with Khan and have Buboy in with Pac. And, IMO Pac still wins a very competitive fight. However, you put Pac with Roach and Khan with another trainer. And, is not even a competitve fight. Pac would knock Khan out.

              My problem with your statement is that you think Pac is just not talented and Khan got so much talent that he could a bigger threat than Margarito without Roach. And, no I just don't buy that at all. Why? Because, of a sparring match? Come on.... You should know more about the sport to realize a sparring match really doesn't mean much in a real boxing fight.

              At the end Khan deserves the fight more than Margarito. But, Margarito with Garcia in his corner at 150 is a bigger threat than Khan without Roach at 140-147.
              Freddie Roach in Khans side wouldnt matter against Manny. im not sure why some of you guys overrate Khan. Khan's best win was against Malignagi who Hatton destroyed. if Khan and Manny fight now Khan would quit boxing when Manny is done beating him. Manny's chin is one of the best. if Manny can take Clottey and Cotto's best shot i think he will just walk thru Khans and beat the **** out of him.

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              • SweetDickWilly
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                #197
                I keep reading Manny got dropped by a body shot...link please?

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                • ADP02
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                  #198
                  Originally posted by letsgobrady
                  show me articles that say marquez is finished because from what i remember some people had marquez as the p4p#1 for knocking out cassamayor and daiz.bradleys fight at ww was a few months ago and alexanders fight was also recently, so manny didn't have to defend his title against any of them because they recently did not look as good?waht about before they had those fights?what was the reason for not defending his tittle against them before they had those bad fights?like the article says these are not walk in a straight line come forward fighters like all of manny's recent opponents have been so just like bradley and alexander had fights where they didn't look to good if manny were to fight bradley,alexander,khan or marquez he probably would not look to good
                  The article states that you are only as good as your last fight NOT me!!!

                  If you saw Marquez's last fight, he was not looking like a P4P#1 fighter. Diaz was coming on strong in the end and if Diaz had Manny's power, Marquez would probably been knocked out. Still, what would beating Devon prove after his last performance?

                  Devon showed in his last fight that he has more to learn and some had him losing the fight. Still, what would beating Devon prove after his last performance?

                  I personally gave Bradley the benefit of the doubt as he moved up in weight in his last fight. So if his plan was to fight Manny at 147 I would say, forget about that Bradley as you are going to get smoked. I see him doing better at 140.

                  If Khan faced Manny and got KOed, what would people say? Khan is now going to face a puncher and after we see how he handles that then we will know more.

                  If Manny beat these guys convincingly it would be considered little reward compared to fighting Floyd or getting another belt. Also, Manny haters would say that he faced fighters that are not ready yet and he took advantage of them or in Marquez's case, Marquez is now too old.

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                  • letsgobrady
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                    #199
                    Originally posted by -Top Rank-
                    because Margarito brings the most money. I agree Williams and Martinez are bigger threats, but who's to say Manny won't fight either guy next. I mean do you honestly think, a guy who fought at 130 two years ago, is suppose to fight the #1 and #2 MW's? It's a process, in the sense that Manny is slowly moving up.

                    Hatton 138
                    Cotto 142
                    Clottey 145
                    Margarito ???


                    So if in a year he hasn't moved up or has and still isn't fighting those big JMW...then you might have a point.
                    didn't he fight oscar at 147 and weighed 148 1/2 on fight night?

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                    • letsgobrady
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                      #200
                      [QUOTE=ADP02;9304783]The article states that you are only as good as your last fight NOT me!!!

                      If you saw Marquez's last fight, he was not looking like a P4P#1 fighter. Diaz was coming on strong in the end and if Diaz had Manny's power, Marquez would probably been knocked out. Still, what would beating Devon prove after his last performance?

                      Devon showed in his last fight that he has more to learn and some had him losing the fight. Still, what would beating Devon prove after his last performance?

                      I personally gave Bradley the benefit of the doubt as he moved up in weight in his last fight. So if his plan was to fight Manny at 147 I would say, forget about that Bradley as you are going to get smoked. I see him doing better at 140.

                      If Khan faced Manny and got KOed, what would people say? Khan is now going to face a puncher and after we see how he handles that then we will know more.

                      If Manny beat these guys convincingly it would be considered little reward compared to fighting Floyd or getting another belt. Also, Manny haters would say that he faced fighters that are not ready yet and he took advantage of them or in Marquez's case, Marquez is now too old.[/QUOTE]

                      how do you come to this conclusion if boxing fans actually wanna see those fights, i didn't hear nobody askin for manny to fight clottey or margarito yet they happened

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