Has anybody done less, but asked for more than Paul Williams?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Having a seemingly limitless amounts of energy, a very good chin and having an extremely long reach are attributs that are impossible NOT to use.

Some people make out Williams doesn't use his advantages at all which is clearly bull****. If he did that then he'd throw 30 punches a round and fall over whenever someone hit him.

The TS said physical advantages. (Height and Reach).

[Shattered Jaw]

The TS said physical advantages. (Height and Reach).

My list was all physical as well... what the hell else could it be (ok there could be a small mental element in the getting tired thing....).

The fact is Williams intrinsically has many advantages over those he fights and he cannot help but use them. Luckily, he negates some of them by being an absolute 'tard in the ring which makes for exciting fights.

By the way, I have Williams stopping Martinez in the rematch in round(s) 10/11/12.

[savorduhflavor]

Williams only bothers me with the most avoided fighter ****.

It's so hypocritical. He doesn't bring money and he's a tough fight for anyone. So the guys at the top with all the power don't really look his way and he cries foul.

Yet, if he was in that position he'd be doing the exact same thing. I mean, he got the nod over Sergio and did just about everything he could to not fight him again because all of a sudden he thought he could call the shots.

I don't have a problem with that cause every top guy does it.....but don't accuse the other top guys of ducking when if you were in their position you'd be doing the same exact thing.

[Canelo Phresh]

latley i dont think so. sergio is gonna tax the pun finisher.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Williams only bothers me with the most avoided fighter ****.

It's so hypocritical. He doesn't bring money and he's a tough fight for anyone. So the guys at the top with all the power don't really look his way and he cries foul.

Yet, if he was in that position he'd be doing the exact same thing. I mean, he got the nod over Sergio and did just about everything he could to not fight him again because all of a sudden he thought he could call the shots.

I don't have a problem with that cause every top guy does it.....but don't accuse the other top guys of ducking when if you were in their position you'd be doing the same exact thing.

Cmon man.

You act like Paul named himself that. He got that tag the same way Margarito did by people avoiding him.

"he did everything he could to not fight him again"

What are you talking about? So because a fight took a while to get signed its a crime now. It reminds me of the cry babies who said that about Shane-Mayweather.

That didnt get mentioned when Cotto-Pac and Hatton-Pac took forever to get signed.

The facts are: The fight is a done deal. The only people overreacting while they worked out the deal were NSB fans. At the presser Martinez and Williams said nothing about this fight being hard to get done.

I mean cmon those kind of statements bother me. Because they have no fact behind them. I mean did Williams not offer Martinez a rematch that he turned down to fight Pavlik? Now is it a crime fighting for all the belts? No. But we cant act like Paul didnt want to fight him.

[pistol whip]

One thing I do give Williams major props in is that he fights every style it seems. Doesn't just stick to one that is very beatable like other boxers.

LOL this ****** Pac argument again!

I forgot Raheem, Campbell, and Guzman suddenly became ***ing world beaters because of their style. Nevermind this **** is just too ****** to even debate.

[Crazylegs77]

I mean I realize that in this day and age of Manny Pacquiao and such, it's expected for marginal fighters to get a shot at the top guys in the sport, but can someone explain to me what Paul Williams has done besides craft the greatest myth in boxing.

He beat Antonio Margarito. Barely. He got his ass whooped by Quintana. Avenged it, but 13 rounds to dispose of that bum? Got his ass whooped by Martinez. Robbed him. Got his ass beat by Kermit Cintron until Kermit took a page from Bernard Hopkins.

All of this while he possessed every single physical advantage possible over every opponent he has ever faced.

Paul Williams. I'm not a fan.

Good thread title.

Seriously his management messed up, hes an entertaining fighter but they act like hes the big cheese or something. Funny ****. Hope team Martinez didnt back down and take less $$ to make this fight happen.

You cant be the most feared man in boxing and the most picky money grubbing unreasonable fighter at the same time.

[Clegg]

The answer is clearly "Andre Berto" who started at 160 like PW, won a belt at 147 like PW, but has took far less risks and fought far less worthwhile opposition while still believing he has a right to big paydays.

[Buff Dickman]

I mean I realize that in this day and age of Manny Pacquiao and such, it's expected for marginal fighters to get a shot at the top guys in the sport, but can someone explain to me what Paul Williams has done besides craft the greatest myth in boxing.

He beat Antonio Margarito. Barely. He got his ass whooped by Quintana. Avenged it, but 13 rounds to dispose of that bum? Got his ass whooped by Martinez. Robbed him. Got his ass beat by Kermit Cintron until Kermit took a page from Bernard Hopkins.

All of this while he possessed every single physical advantage possible over every opponent he has ever faced.

Paul Williams. I'm not a fan.

Amen then he has the balls to ask for a catchweight for the middleweight title. he's a half ******ed idiot who we will finally be rid of when martinez starches his ugly hobgoblin looking ass...

[mathed]

I used to be a Williams fan back in 2007 and 2008 but I kept seeing him fight these older guys who had names but were aging fighters. He did good against an inactive, 1 fight in 3 years Winky Wright. I think the thing that has turned me off about Williams is the fact that he is one of these guys that HBO was and is trying to "build" into a superstar. You know how HBO will pick certain fighters to "hype" up with their commentators and always put them on BAD cards as the main events, i.e; Berto, Williams, Alexander, Ortiz. I mean these guys are pretty good and all but when the fights are remotely close, someone gets shafted in order for these guys to get another W on their records. I realize that HBO are making investments in these guys but as a result, these fighters develop this "superstar" mentality and think they deserve the world....Angulo was another one of these type of fighters.

I can see another ripoff if this rematch with Martinez is close again because Martinez is not an HBO guy....he just kind of came on the scene unexpectedly and has been picking up steam, the only problem is, he is doing it at the expense of HBO's investments. And with all his physical advantages over virtually everyone he will ever face, I'm not gonna make any excuses for this guy, he should be fighting at 160, 168, 175.....not 147 and 154. It's like the Klits coming down to 175 and fighting those guys.