Andriy Kotelnik vs Victor Ortiz

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  • Mikhnienko
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    #21
    Originally posted by Freedom Fighter
    I like both fighters...

    Either might win, either Kotelnik by decision (if he doesn't get robbed again) or Ortiz by stoppage.

    But if I had to pick one, I would go with an Ortiz win by TKO.
    right now, bet, as much as you'll do.

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    • AKATheMack
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      #22
      Originally posted by Mikhnienko
      Pretty shocking that folks still have such absurd and uninformed opinions on Kotelnyk.

      Ortiz has better hand speed, better foot speed, he hits harder, hes taller, hes bigger-go ahead and stop me when I get to the misinformed part.

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      • -Hyperion-
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        #23
        Ortiz wins easy UD........just too atheltic, big and powerful for Kotelnik.......Worse than the Khan Fight for Andriy...

        Andryi beats pretty much every short non puncher, or people who throw looping punches.......his skillset is very good....but against tall boxers with power and straight punches, he cant win, just too small and weak for his style to work....

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        • Mikhnienko
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          #24
          Originally posted by AKATheMack
          Ortiz has better hand speed, better foot speed, he hits harder, hes taller, hes bigger-go ahead and stop me when I get to the misinformed part.
          lol on paper it's legit what you're saying. Handspeed and footspeed will be far less of a discrepancy when they actually get in the ring and Kotelnyk's timing will negate any advantage. Their overall skill set, you'll see the difference. I'll bet you too if you'd like since it's such a lock .

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          • Doctor_Tenma
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            #25
            Originally posted by -Hyperion-
            Ortiz wins easy UD........just too atheltic, big and powerful for Kotelnik.......Worse than the Khan Fight for Andriy...

            Andryi beats pretty much every short non puncher, or people who throw looping punches.......his skillset is very good....but against tall boxers with power and straight punches, he cant win, just too small and weak for his style to work....
            Exactly where I'm getting at.

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            • Phenom
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              #26
              Kotelnik vs anybody is not an interesting match up but I would like to see this fight If and only if Bradley vs alexander happens and its on the Khan vs Maidana card. another stay busy for Ortiz and he should get amir and marcos winner after that

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              • AKATheMack
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                #27
                Originally posted by Mikhnienko
                lol on paper it's legit what you're saying. Handspeed and footspeed will be far less of a discrepancy when they actually get in the ring and Kotelnyk's timing will negate any advantage. Their overall skill set, you'll see the difference. I'll bet you too if you'd like since it's such a lock .
                Id definitely place a bet on Ortiz if they were to fight. Ive seen Kotelnik fight several times and I have nothing against the guy, but I think Ortiz is an extremely talented fighter. I think him and Khan are much much more talented than Bradley, Alexander or Kotelnik.

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                • Steelhammer2011
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                  #28
                  Wow, you guys are overrating Ortiz and underrating Kotelnik again.

                  Who has Ortiz beat?

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                  • Phenom
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Steelhammer2010
                    Wow, you guys are overrating Ortiz and underrating Kotelnik again.

                    Who has Ortiz beat?
                    we are basing it on skills speed and power match up not on resumes but who has Kotelnik beat clearly?

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                    • Dave Rado
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Steelhammer2010
                      I think this would be a great matchup.

                      Ortiz has the skills, but I don't think he has the will. He's a mental midget who lacks heart. He's the Mexican version of Zab Judah.

                      The Ukrainian warrior Kotelnik is the 2nd best Light Welterweight in the world behind Khan. He is the only man to beat Maidana. He dominated Alexander the fraud and got robbed. He clearly beat Prime Witter and got robbed. Alexander and Witter both got bullshit hometown gift decisions.

                      Kotelnik and Ortiz have a common opponent....Marcos Rene Maidana.

                      - Maidana destroyed Ortiz and made him quit in 6.

                      - Kotelnik clearly outboxed Maidana and put on a counter punching clinic.


                      Who wins this matchup?
                      Your extreme bias makes it pointless to even have a discussion with you.

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