two questions on B-Hop's all time standing...

[THE REED]

When will you recognize Bernard as the better fighter alltime over Roy Jones?...................................my guess is about the same time i admit Roy Jones is better alltime then Bhop.

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[IMDAZED]

20 straight defenses as mw champ thats not enough for you,how about demolishing the king pin at lh at the time is that enough,what do you want from the man,to destroy the lineal mw champ in his mid 40s well......................

Nah, not enough to topple Jones.

[jrosales13]

His biggest wins were against smaller opponents who had no business fighting in his weight class: Trinidad and DLH. The loss against Calzaghe (a fight that was winnable for him) hurts a lot.

He is one of the top three ring saavy fighters in the last 30 years. The other two being Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather.

Wait Tito beats arguably the 2nd best MW at the time. And, matter of fact not only beats him but destroys him. Yet Tito had no business at middleweight?

How so?

[THE REED]

He was the better fighter all time,Roy like i stated before is the best prime fighter i have ever seen,the sht he did to a prime James TONEY SAYS IT ALL.

Not so cut and dry.

Hopkins may have laster longer... but he didn't dominate right off the bat.

His first pro fight was a loss, he has draws in his prime, he lost to Jermain Taylor twice.

Roy on the other hand, dominated off the bat, he got his work in before Bernard did... Roy got there first.

Bernard has more "names" on his resume... but most all of those big names, had to move UP in weight to beat Bernard.

Roy may have less "name value" on his resume... but Roy moved UP in weight to beat all of those fighters.


Bernard has a record 20 title defenses.

Roy was the first MW to goto HW.. not too mention back down and regained LHW in over 100 years.

Roy was also the fighter of the 90's.


Bernard went from MW, skipped SMW, and beat a LHW champion.

Roy went from LHW, skipped CW, and beat a HW champion.


Bernard has been much more successful in his later years than Roy... but Roy was much more successful in the earlier years, than Bernard.


It isn't so cut and dry.. and it isn't so obvious who is better.

[jrosales13]

1. No.

2. He'd have to do a lot of cherry picking to accomplish that.

3. Hopkins is an ATG, no question. Top 10? Never.

This is spot on

When he does something to warrant it!

20 straight defenses as mw champ thats not enough for you,how about demolishing the king pin at lh at the time is that enough,what do you want from the man,to destroy the lineal mw champ in his mid 40s well......................

If he beats Pascal and Dawson. I would put him ahead of Roy.

[Sweet Jesus]

1) No.
2) Depends on who he beats and how good they become. His Pavlik win is no longer regarded like it was used to.

[sammiza567]

i have bhop somewhere between 30-50 now. if he did that i would have to make him between 10-15. as far as accomplishments go he can pass roy. but asfar as fantasy matchups go he can never be better than roy.

[Truth]

Not so cut and dry.

Hopkins may have laster longer... but he didn't dominate right off the bat.

His first pro fight was a loss, he has draws in his prime, he lost to Jermain Taylor twice.

Roy on the other hand, dominated off the bat, he got his work in before Bernard did... Roy got there first.

Bernard has more "names" on his resume... but most all of those big names, had to move UP in weight to beat Bernard.

Roy may have less "name value" on his resume... but Roy moved UP in weight to beat all of those fighters.


Bernard has a record 20 title defenses.

Roy was the first MW to goto HW.. not too mention back down and regained LHW in over 100 years.

Roy was also the fighter of the 90's.


Bernard went from MW, skipped SMW, and beat a LHW champion.

Roy went from LHW, skipped CW, and beat a HW champion.


Bernard has been much more successful in his later years than Roy... but Roy was much more successful in the earlier years, than Bernard.


It isn't so cut and dry.. and it isn't so obvious who is better.

This was a good post. Well thought out, straight to the point.

[IMDAZED]

This is spot on





If he beats Pascal and Dawson. I would put him ahead of Roy.

I would too. Of course, how it's done also is a factor.

[djtmal]

DJ First on the scene to answer your questions

i had to set the tone early before you, streetbully, secondzout and nasa000 start slobbering over nard...