Wladimir Klitschko vs Fedor Emalienenko in a street fight

[OG Triple]

fedor would work him. that height would be a disadvantage. he'd get taken down and wlad wouldnt be able to get back up.

[Dead Ringer]

All Wlad would have to do is land one punch and Fedor would be sleeping peacefully. People tend to throw a lot of punches in street fights.

[Mayweather41-0]

What does this have to do with boxing?

[Steak]

No offence but Wlad has the perfect style to get taken down and beaten.

Tyson would be more suited because he is stocky, fast powerful and weaves.

Wlad is a cautious guy. That **** doesn't work in MMA if you're a boxer.

Mercer did OK because he was always a puncher.

Wlad is a systematic puncher.

The guy I can see who has a chance is Vitali who knows kick boxing. Strong and big.

Possibly Haye who is strong and fast. With 4 ounce gloves he can knock a fair few out, but he will have to go all out and not this defensive stuff right now.

This is just the HW.



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hmm I respectfully disagree. the main danger to a boxer in mma is grappling. because of that, you WANT to be a cautious fighter, and use a lot of footwork and distance. Wladimir fights entirely on the outside, which is a good thing. a guy that is primarily an inside fighter gets too close for comfort.

something like a Klitschko jab with 4 oz gloves on is a huge, damaging punch. and Wladimir's right hand is multiple times faster and harder than a 45 year old Mercer's.

also in mma its not illegal to post your hand against the opposing fighter and push him away...its actually a common tactic for guys that arent good at grappling and want to prevent the takedown. CroCop used to do it a lot, and Wladimir would definitely use it a lot more since he still does it in boxing matches despite it being illegal.

the #1 danger is that Wlad doesnt fall into clinches like he does a lot. I think he could overcome that when he realises that his jabs land a lot easier and do a lot more damage.

although of course you should favor the guy in his own sport.

[PainKiller]

hmm I respectfully disagree. the main danger to a boxer in mma is grappling. because of that, you WANT to be a cautious fighter, and use a lot of footwork and distance. Wladimir fights entirely on the outside, which is a good thing. a guy that is primarily an inside fighter gets too close for comfort.

something like a Klitschko jab with 4 oz gloves on is a huge, damaging punch. and Wladimir's right hand is multiple times faster and harder than a 45 year old Mercer's.

also in mma its not illegal to post your hand against the opposing fighter and push him away...its actually a common tactic for guys that arent good at grappling and want to prevent the takedown. CroCop used to do it a lot, and Wladimir would definitely use it a lot more since he still does it in boxing matches despite it being illegal.

the #1 danger is that Wlad doesnt fall into clinches like he does a lot. I think he could overcome that when he realises that his jabs land a lot easier and do a lot more damage.

although of course you should favor the guy in his own sport.

But Wlad's style has a lot of holding.

This is why I think he will easily be taken down. It's not just habit, it is in tuned to him to protect his chin.

For me, Wlad has everything.

Height, power, athleticism, reach, speed etc...

bar his chin, and I don't like his style.

I can't imagine a boxer keeping range in the octagon where someone can pin him along the wall.

Punching someone who is a boxer who is trained to stay up and try to land/take a shot is very different to someone who can duck and basically get on his knees.

Boxers will easily own any MMA guy within the range of navel to head.

That zone is theirs, but from penis to legs, they don't look out for it.

Kicks hurt, I know this.

I have sparred a friend who does wing chung, praying mantis and boxing.

He did something with his legs that effectively owned me.

We don;t look at legs and legs are faster than I thought.

Good post you did BTW. I appreciate it

[sunthunder]

hmm I respectfully disagree. the main danger to a boxer in mma is grappling. because of that, you WANT to be a cautious fighter, and use a lot of footwork and distance. Wladimir fights entirely on the outside, which is a good thing. a guy that is primarily an inside fighter gets too close for comfort.

something like a Klitschko jab with 4 oz gloves on is a huge, damaging punch. and Wladimir's right hand is multiple times faster and harder than a 45 year old Mercer's.

also in mma its not illegal to post your hand against the opposing fighter and push him away...its actually a common tactic for guys that arent good at grappling and want to prevent the takedown. CroCop used to do it a lot, and Wladimir would definitely use it a lot more since he still does it in boxing matches despite it being illegal.

the #1 danger is that Wlad doesnt fall into clinches like he does a lot. I think he could overcome that when he realises that his jabs land a lot easier and do a lot more damage.

although of course you should favor the guy in his own sport.

Cro Cop was able to because he trained to do it, as in spent years working his takedown defence against sparring partners trying to take him down.

Fedor would take him down and smash him. Wlad essentially has one chance to land one power shot before he gets taken down.

[piano man]

Fedor would make Wlad his b1tch and would send him to the streets to make him some money.

Fedor by murder I mean murder.

[Steak]

But Wlad's style has a lot of holding.

This is why I think he will easily be taken down. It's not just habit, it is in tuned to him to protect his chin.

For me, Wlad has everything.

Height, power, athleticism, reach, speed etc...

bar his chin, and I don't like his style.

I can't imagine a boxer keeping range in the octagon where someone can pin him along the wall.

Punching someone who is a boxer who is trained to stay up and try to land/take a shot is very different to someone who can duck and basically get on his knees.

Boxers will easily own any MMA guy within the range of navel to head.

That zone is theirs, but from penis to legs, they don't look out for it.

Kicks hurt, I know this.

I have sparred a friend who does wing chung, praying mantis and boxing.

He did something with his legs that effectively owned me.

We don;t look at legs and legs are faster than I thought.

Good post you did BTW. I appreciate it

I agree, Wlad's holding obsession might be impossible for him to overcome...which is why I never said I would favor him in the hypothetical matchup.

Im just imagining that Wlad wouldnt resort to that nearly as much when he realizes that he can land punches easier AND that he can post with his arms as much as he wants, since it wouldnt be illegal anymore.

and although kicks can certainly be effective, they have vulnerabilities as well. theyre dangerous, but leave you very open for punches, because your equilibrium is all off: I mean youre on one leg.
a fair example of what Im talking about:

right hands also work very well if hes kicking with the other leg.

the problem is that boxers dont realise the vulnerability after a kick and kind of just freeze when they get kicked, kind of like 'wtf was that' and they dont do anything afterward.

In reality, grappling is the most threatening to a boxer in mma.

[PainKiller]

Cro Cop was able to because he trained to do it, as in spent years working his takedown defence against sparring partners trying to take him down.

Fedor would take him down and smash him. Wlad essentially has one chance to land one power shot before he gets taken down.

That one punch % is a lot less than getting taken down IMO too.

I'm not using James Toney as an example however, he's shot as a boxer, let alone as a MMA guy.

[Steak]

Cro Cop was able to because he trained to do it, as in spent years working his takedown defence against sparring partners trying to take him down.

Fedor would take him down and smash him. Wlad essentially has one chance to land one power shot before he gets taken down.

this is true, but Wladimir also is more dangerous with his hands(kicks are more open for takedowns than punches are for the most part) and has a greater reach.

Its not the simplest thing in the world to shoot in for a takedown when youre facing a guy with a piston jab and freight train right hand, it takes a lot of good positioning. although again, I would obviously favor Fedor in this matchup.