Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko: "Haye is a Loser and a Running Duck"

[LeadUppercut]

Haye isn't a world champion. By definition it is only possible for there to be one world champion in any weight division at a given time. Currently the world Heavyweight champion is Wlad Klitschko. Haye is an alphabet belt holder, and that's it.

And he won that belt by narrowly beating a man generally ranked #6 in the world at the time, in which he only managed to get a majority decision. His punch output was one of the lowest in Heavyweight history, and it was an extremely unimpressive display.

His first defence was against someone generally ranked well outside the top 20, who hadn't had a decent win in 6 years. In that fight, he showed himself to be utterly incapable of defending himself against anyone with a good jab.

His second defence will be against someone generally ranked well outside the top 40, who has never had and will never have a decent win as a pro in his life.

That's not the sort of behaviour that someone who genuinely wanted to reinvigorate the Heavyweight division - as he keeps claiming he does - would indulge in. He's just a snake oil salesman. That's it.

I pretty much agree.

Haye has more options available to him now, than he did back when he had nothing..... and so he is taking the opportunity to cherry-pick the best ones before taking that huge payday in a career finale.

Otherwise.....
..... I suspect that people will be telling their kids nasty things about him in years to come

But, unfortunately, you are wrong with your first comment. Haye IS a world champion, because unfortunately there are 4 recognised sanctioning bodies.....

HEAVYWEIGHT (Over 200 Lbs / 90.71 Kgs)
World Champion: DAVID HAYE U.K.
Won Title: 11-07-09
Last Mandatory: 04-03-10
Last Defense: 04-03-10

http://www.wbaonline.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WBA_world_champions

Luckily for me, I refused to condon that turd-polishing contest well over 20 years ago.

I dont need some jumped up little shi7 in a suit with an agenda to tell me who the man is at most given weights, and neither do most other boxing fan's.

The 4x sanctioning bodies are the cause of the problem.

Do you really think Wlad would give a shi7 about Haye if there was only one belt? Nope, because Wlad would have that belt, and Haye has achieved nothing of note within the HW division to date.

But, he is still treated like the Queen of England, ooops I mean, Heavyweight Champion of the World when he is interviewed back home

[LeadUppercut]

Hayes is a scared ass *****, there is nothing more to it. K2 offered Haye 50-50 on everything except german tv revune and Haye claims thats why the fight wasnt made. Sounds like a fair deal to me, why should they share the german tv revenue with him?

Go and sit in the corner ya dumb kid.

Haye is not worth 50%.

Clearly Haye ducked that fight, and nobody has said otherwise.

Sure, he's "scared"..... just like you would be

[LeadUppercut]

It's because when he was on that escalator he had the image of an unconfident,average shape Wlad who get Dropped by Peter 3 times and was confused by lil Ibragimov or Calvin Brock for few rounds..
Since things have changed...

The fact that Chambers who beat easy a 6.7 Dimitrenko couldn't land a single punch on Wlad,Chambers being as fast or faster than Haye,makes the Diva thinks twice about Wlad being a easy to hit chinny bum like Barrett or Enzo Mac.

The performance against Peter will not help.
Peter was in good shape for once and rabbits punches (Haye and Peter are experts) don't work anymore against a very focused and confident Wlad.

It's two scary cold kos in a row...against way harder chinned fighters than Haye.

On that escalator,Haye hasn't been yet credited of a ****tier performance against Valuev than a 147 years old Holyfield and Chagaev who lost every seconds of the fight against Wlad.

Tough Haye destroyed Ruiz,he was tagged all night long by Ruiz jab,he was getting hit.Against Wlad,with that power,it's unforgivable.
Wlad doesn't get hit,or rarely.

Haye knows better than me all those points.
Haye isn't ******,he knows he has to cash out with this fight and has poor chances to win.

He just thinks,or knows fans,especially casuals in UK are ****** and ignorants and the UK medias will support him to death because in UK boxing the Union Jack is more important than boxing itself.

Cherry on the cake,Haye is fighting Fraudley,and only an injury that stops his career could help him at this point.

I don't think he's scared,he just deeply him and his trainer he has a very small chance to beat Wlad,and a faded Vit could be the easier way out.

Some good points there.

Obviously, either K-bro is a huge risk fight for Haye.

Obviously, Haye has a number of options available to him, and all of them are easier than fighting Wlad or Vit...... which would most likely be the end of the road for London's latest nightclub attraction

Obviously, he will have to fight a unification bout against a K-bro before he retires..... life just aint long enough to deal with the kind of criticism that he would receive for the next 50 years

Obviously, he will take that huge payday, when he is ready.

He's a fkn cherry-picker.

Personally, I never believed that a blown-up cruiser was gonna liberate the world from the clutches of those nasty Klitschko brothers..... I am actually quite happy with Wlad and Vit..... just not on the Ring P4P top 10 list

[Dave Rado]

I pretty much agree.

Haye has more options available to him now, than he did back when he had nothing..... and so he is taking the opportunity to cherry-pick the best ones before taking that huge payday in a career finale.

Otherwise.....
..... I suspect that people will be telling their kids nasty things about him in years to come

But, unfortunately, you are wrong with your first comment. Haye IS a world champion, because unfortunately there are 4 recognised sanctioning bodies.....

HEAVYWEIGHT (Over 200 Lbs / 90.71 Kgs)
World Champion: DAVID HAYE U.K.
Won Title: 11-07-09
Last Mandatory: 04-03-10
Last Defense: 04-03-10

http://www.wbaonline.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WBA_world_champions

Luckily for me, I refused to condon that turd-polishing contest well over 20 years ago.

I dont need some jumped up little shi7 in a suit with an agenda to tell me who the man is at most given weights, and neither do most other boxing fan's.

The 4x sanctioning bodies are the cause of the problem.

Do you really think Wlad would give a shi7 about Haye if there was only one belt? Nope, because Wlad would have that belt, and Haye has achieved nothing of note within the HW division to date.

But, he is still treated like the Queen of England, ooops I mean, Heavyweight Champion of the World when he is interviewed back home

There are four corrupt sanctioning bodies, who like to call their belt holders "world champions", but by definition it is impossible for there to be more than one world champion in a given division at a given time. Think about what the words "world champion" actually mean. It is impossible for there to be more than one unless you change the meaning of the words. And the alphabets' rankings are so corrupt that they have brought the phrase into disrepute. If Dimitri Sartison and Robert Stieglitz are the world Super Middleweight champions then my grandmother was a better fighter than Ali. Sartison isn't even a top 10 fighter, and Stieglitz is barely in the top 10.

Just because the WBXYZ says someone is the world champion doesn't mean they really are. The only real world champion is the lineal champion, where there is one. Where there isn't a lineal champion, the world championship is vacant. Wlad became the lineal world Heavyweight champion when he beat Chagaev. He is the only world Heavyweight champion.

The reason why the brothers would like to have all four alphabet belts between them is because most of the media buy into the "paper title = world champion" bullshit, and they want to end all argument about who the champion is. But they know (Wlad especially) that it's bullshit. Wlad says he values his Ring belt way above all the other belts put together, because it signifies that he is the world champion, rather than just being a corrupt sanctioning body's belt holder.

Haye used to feel the same way when he was a Cruiserweight - he often said the only world champion is The Ring's champion. For mercenary financial reasons, he's changed his tune lately.

[Dave Rado]

K2 offered Haye 50-50 on everything except german tv revune and Haye claims thats why the fight wasnt made.

You're talking absolute rubbish,. Haye admits he was offered 50% of everything across the board, including 50% of the German TV revenue. You should read his statement more carefully.

[Dave Rado]

Nobody is attempting to brand Haye an "emotional coward".

These kids are trying to make out that he's hiding in the sandpit pee'ing his pants

No one who fights at world class level for a living is a physical coward. The people who accuse any well known boxer of being that are just juveniles. But Haye is an emotional coward.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I get the feeling Haye was convinced sometime after he first confronted Wlad in the mall, to fight a few heavyweights first before he jumps in there with one of the Klitschko brothers. He said he will fight Wlad next year and I believe him.

[Dave Rado]

"2.) K2 ****ed that up by low-balling him"
50-50 wasn't low ballingHaye officially admited he priced himself out.

You completely missed the point LeadUppercut was making. He meant they ****ed it up by low-balling him in 2009, as was obvious if you read his post properly.

Because they low-balled him in 2009, he fought Valuev instead and got a belt, and that belt is his cash cow now. Because he has the belt, as a result of which most of the media now call him the world Heavyweight champion, and most casual fans lap it up, he can make a lot of money by just fighting journeymen, and no longer has the financial need to fight a Klitschko. That was the point LeadUppercut was making.

Haye is ****ing up his legacy, but he will be an extremely rich man when he retires. He's done it by conning the public, with the appalling connivance of the British media - and no boxing fan should support what he's doing; but what LeadUppercut said about the negotiations in 2009 is true. The K bros did screw that up. If they'd made him a good offer then, he'd be history by now - Vitali would have retired him last year.

[Dave Rado]

I get the feeling Haye was convinced sometime after he first confronted Wlad in the mall, to fight a few heavyweights first before he jumps in there with one of the Klitschko brothers.

If that's what it was about, don't you think he'd be taking a more meaningful fight than Audley?

He said he will fight Wlad next year and I believe him.

He said last year that he'd fight one of them this year - did you believe him then as well?

If he fights either of them I believe he'll fight Vitali, because Vitali is slowing down, and starting to show his age, whereas Wlad is improving with every fight.

[Davros?]

TBH I don’t like Haye anymore and it is very easy to be blinded by hate towards someone, Haye clearly has natural talent although he is not polished he has good hand and foot speed plus good power he has more talent than Peter but doesn’t have very good punch resistance thus at heavyweight he is always in danger, also his lack of activity makes him somewhat ring rusty as shown in just about every fight since Mormeck and Enzo. I don’t think he would beat Wlad but tbh he would be one of the most talented fighters Wlad has faced (unless he losses to harrison lol). Didn’t Wlad say himself that it would be his signature win?
I just want to see this fight asap.