Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko Makes it Thirteen Straight in Frankfurt

[classicbuzzbox]

when a fighter with so many tools, such talent and physical advantages as wlad has, and performs the way that he does, UNDERACHIEVING, then of course we are going to complain.
first we can complain because it is a hw fight, secondly, watching a superior boxer with all the advantages tip to and ***** foot around for 8 rounds before throwing down the hammer, then HELL YES we can complain.
if all wlad had was a good jab and average right hand then i wouldnt blame him for fighting so stiff, safe and reluctantly...
but he has many TOOLS which he prefers not to use.

where are the body shots?
where are the combinations, no a 1-2 is not a combination.
why not a left hook to the body every once in awhile?
when in close why let sam hug on you, why not a step back and upercut or check hook?

i dont get it.
i give credit for wlad beating his opposition, but these are heavyweights, we expect some fireworks, we expect some chances....

and he barely takes any.

wlad is boring as ***.

complain about lewis, at least the man put combinations together, threw punches with some authority, aggression and bad intentions before the 10th round every fight

You write as if Wlad getting brain damage trying to land body shots on fighters that are 10cm shorter than him when he wins through accurate head punching is a chance worth him taking. Wlad is the master of the fundamentals of boxing, that is, he hits and is not hit in return and textbook outside fighting. In fact, one could say that Wlad has surpassed all other masters of fighting on the outside as all of the fights with other top ten heavies in the last 10 fights have struggled to even look like a competition. One needs to know boxing to see exactly what it is he is doing that avoids those return shots. You could say clinch and that is part of the resume, but there are other moves that nuliffy bullrushers like Peter. They all come to Wlad with the same game plan and its no longer even a competition.

You yanks are after fights like Foreman v Holyfield, where a 6ft 4" man allows a much shorter man to lay on his chest while they throw as big a bombs as they can muster at short range. This is fighting lazy, both physically and mentally. Thats not technique by the taller man, it's just a spectacle which I get the feeling is all the short attention span viewers want. Wlad and Peter are both improved from their previous encounters, yet Wlad is so far advanced that the fights are suffering due to them being mismatches, even against the next highest rated fighters. This fight was a total mismatch.

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when a fighter with so many tools, such talent and physical advantages as wlad has, and performs the way that he does, UNDERACHIEVING, then of course we are going to complain.
first we can complain because it is a hw fight, secondly, watching a superior boxer with all the advantages tip to and ***** foot around for 8 rounds before throwing down the hammer, then HELL YES we can complain.
if all wlad had was a good jab and average right hand then i wouldnt blame him for fighting so stiff, safe and reluctantly...
but he has many TOOLS which he prefers not to use.

where are the body shots?
where are the combinations, no a 1-2 is not a combination.
why not a left hook to the body every once in awhile?
when in close why let sam hug on you, why not a step back and upercut or check hook?

i dont get it.
i give credit for wlad beating his opposition, but these are heavyweights, we expect some fireworks, we expect some chances....

and he barely takes any.

wlad is boring as ***.

complain about lewis, at least the man put combinations together, threw punches with some authority, aggression and bad intentions before the 10th round every fight

I like Wlad.

He's a good champ, and this is an excellent run.

But you have clearly explained why Wlad - and very few other heavyweights - have never deserved P4P honors.

Even The Ring is starting to make some real silly decisions imho.

I love boxing, but the heavyweight division has always been my least favourite.... partly for the reasons that you have outlined, not because of the poor standard on today's heavyweight scene.

No fault of Wlad and Vit, they've fought everyone, and for the most part put on excellent performances.

But, what'ya expect from a heavyweight?

The lower weight divisions's are a better breeding ground for superbly skilled fighters, for obvious reasons.

[WladIsTheChamp]

when a fighter with so many tools, such talent and physical advantages as wlad has, and performs the way that he does, UNDERACHIEVING, then of course we are going to complain.
first we can complain because it is a hw fight, secondly, watching a superior boxer with all the advantages tip to and ***** foot around for 8 rounds before throwing down the hammer, then HELL YES we can complain.
if all wlad had was a good jab and average right hand then i wouldnt blame him for fighting so stiff, safe and reluctantly...
but he has many TOOLS which he prefers not to use.

where are the body shots?
where are the combinations, no a 1-2 is not a combination.
why not a left hook to the body every once in awhile?
when in close why let sam hug on you, why not a step back and upercut or check hook?

i dont get it.
i give credit for wlad beating his opposition, but these are heavyweights, we expect some fireworks, we expect some chances....

and he barely takes any.

wlad is boring as ***.

complain about lewis, at least the man put combinations together, threw punches with some authority, aggression and bad intentions before the 10th round every fight

I call bull**** on your whole post but especially that last paragraph about Lewis having more aggression and bad intentions, he fought even more cautiously than Wlad - that's not even an opinion, it's a fact, fact supported by Wlad's higher KO% (much higher) even though Wlad has had a lot more fights than Lewis. You can't say that someone has bad intentions and more aggression when they get a decision versus someone who knocks their opponents out in the later rounds.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Funny thing is the same haters criticizing Wlad for being too cautious and for not getting hit are the same people that praise Floyd for being a defensive genius and always say boxing is about hitting and not being hit, yet they don't apply the same standard when talking about Wlad. News flash you ****ing haters - Wlad is in there with the big boys and not some 147 pounders, one mistake and he is out and then you haters will say that he has no chin, yet he still KOs 86% of his opponents. He also fights guys who are mandatories, undfeated, world champs, and Ring top 10, fight after fight. You are witnessing an ATG HOF boxer better get used to it because he is not going anywhere.

Wlad > Ali

[WladIsTheChamp]

I like Wlad.

He's a good champ, and this is an excellent run.

But you have clearly explained why Wlad - and very few other heavyweights - have never deserved P4P honors.

Even The Ring is starting to make some real silly decisions imho.

I love boxing, but the heavyweight division has always been my least favourite.... partly for the reasons that you have outlined, not because of the poor standard on today's heavyweight scene.

No fault of Wlad and Vit, they've fought everyone, and for the most part put on excellent performances.

But, what'ya expect from a heavyweight?

The lower weight divisions's are a better breeding ground for superbly skilled fighters, for obvious reasons.

Superbly skilled or just smaller? The HWs are the top dogs and always will be, they are the Kings of boxing, because everyone knows that the P4P is just a mythical subjective list with no real bearing, the HW Champ beats any other champ from any other lower weight division, the P4P list was made up to make straw weights feel better about themselves.

Besdies, I garauntee you, if Wlad continues this domination for another year or two, he will be in P4P #1 fighter. Wait and see.

[Guest]

Lewis threw a lot more combinations than Wlad does but that's it. He almost never went to the body or fought on the inside. He almost never took unnecessary risks after Steward became his trainer. Wlad's punches are thrown with just as much authority and power as Lewis's punches were. And Wlad has a much harder jab than Lewis had. Lewis often pawed with his jab, and even when he used it effectively, his jab was far less hurtful than Wlad's jab.

The one big advantage Lewis had in terms of excitement was that he threw a lot more combinations, and occasionally blew out dangerous opponents early because of that, e.g. Ruddock, Golota, Rahman, Grant. I'll give you that. But still, for many of his fights, he was no more entertaining than Wlad is, and was frequently just as over-cautious. And Wlad is gradually coming out of his shell. He's nowhere near as over-cautious as he was 4-5 fights ago.

And the reason he became too over-cautious isn't hard to understand. You talk about all his tools, but you ignore the fact that he has perhaps the weakest chin of any lineal Heavyweight champion since Floyd Patterson. For someone with a chin that weak to become such a dominant champion is an amazing achievement. You can decry the style he's adopted in order to achieve that, but you can't say it wasn't totally understandable that he should adopt such an over-cautious style, and you can't argue with its effectiveness. It's several years since he's even clearly lost a single round to anyone, and yet he's been fighting top 10 fighters the whole time.

This post is just about exactly what I think when talking about Wlad and Lewis.

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Superbly skilled or just smaller? The HWs are the top dogs and always will be, they are the Kings of boxing, because everyone knows that the P4P is just a mythical subjective list with no real bearing, the HW Champ beats any other champ from any other lower weight division, the P4P list was made up to make straw weights feel better about themselves.

Besdies, I garauntee you, if Wlad continues this domination for another year or two, he will be in P4P #1 fighter. Wait and see.

ahahah good one

I've never really followed theoretical P4P lists, I rate divisional supremacy and lengthy title defences much higher.....

But.....
Imagine if Mayweather or Pac's natural fighting weight was 6'6 - 250lbs
























And imagine if prime calderon was 6 foot 6 and 250 lb

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This post is just about exactly what I think when talking about Wlad and Lewis.

Lewis was often called boring.

Admittedly he wasn't the most exciting of heavyweights, but I appreciated his skill. And he knew how to finish.

"pugilist specialist"
- Lennox Lewis

[WladIsTheChamp]

ahahah good one

I've never really followed theoretical P4P lists, I rate divisional supremacy and lengthy title defences much higher.....

But.....
Imagine if Mayweather or Pac's natural fighting weight was 6'6 - 250lbs
























And imagine if prime calderon was 6 foot 6 and 250 lb

If Mayweather was 6'6" 250 he would be the equivalent of Julius Long in terms of punching power. That's all you haters can do, try to IMAGINE for someone to be better than a Klitschko. Now wake yourself up from your wet dream and realize that Floyd is not 6'6" and 250. Oh and Wlad has defeated a lot of US fighters who are around 6'6 250, and there are a lot of fighters as big or bigger than him, they just don't have the skills he has. You are witnessing a Ukranian GOAT son, don't kill yourself now.

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If Mayweather was 6'6" 250 he would be the equivalent of Julius Long in terms of punching power. That's all you haters can do, try to IMAGINE for someone to be better than a Klitschko. Now wake yourself up from your wet dream and realize that Floyd is not 6'6" and 250. Oh and Wlad has defeated a lot of US fighters who are around 6'6 250, and there are a lot of fighters as big or bigger than him, they just don't have the skills he has. You are witnessing a Ukranian GOAT son, don't kill yourself now.

chill bro..... nobodies hatin on Wlad, or Lewis, for that matter.

I was referring to most heavyweights, only the very best were near P4P.

Boxing has weight divisons for a reason, and it's a different game that far north.

A large percentage of heavyweight fights depend on who lands the first good punch then follows up.

That is not so much of a deciding factor in the lower divisions, especially as young fighters develop through the lower levels of amateur competition to pro.

Big guys need to learn the heavyweight game, lighter fighters need learn to adapt to a larger range of styles/situations, and skills develop through a better level of competition.

I am not insinuating that heavyweights are unskilled, just that heavyweight fights are more popular with the casual fan because they often end in KO.

And when you theorise P4P, you assume natural fighting weights, not "May/Pac going up in weight".

You assume that their speed/power was relative, at 6'6"-250lbs.

It's hard to be rated P4P when you are 6'6 and 250lb, even if you could beat any fighter on the planet, like Wlad most likely could.

It's hard to be rated P4P when you are 6'6 and 250lb.....
..... it's almost an oxymoron.

I bet you're gonna have fun with that word