For 50 mil, would you fight Manny with roids?

[Franco2012]

I would do it tomorrow. Ive been knocked out riding motocross before, so I know what being out cold is like. At least after this one I would be rich as hell.

Who wouldnt except Floyd?

[Dynamite Kid]

Yeah, right. We in the boxing world don't care, DK. Tell me...how did we punish Shane Mosley?

Sure...and??

Actually, you have no facts to contradict anything I said. I can't change the fact that I heard this well before Roger said anything. Nor was I the only one. Tell me...did you care when Mike Tyson asked Evander Holyfield to take a drug test?

Its still big news, who you trying to kid? a guy who has, according to your source, been rumoured to be taking roids, goes from a one dimensional slugger, to knocking people silly, establishes himself as arguably the best fighter in the world, Mayweather sr claims steroids, he arouses the su****ions of numerous people who had heard rumours beforehand, and thats not a scandal Lol

Sure...and? Dont know what that was supposed to be confirming or denying.

Actually, you have no facts to contradict anything I said. I can't change the fact that I heard this well before Roger said anything. Nor was I the only one. Tell me...did you care when Mike Tyson asked Evander Holyfield to take a drug test?

Maybe they aint facts, but like i said, commonsense contradicts it entirely, that you cant dispute.

Allegedly, only no proof though eh? not only do you have no proof, you are being as vague as can, but not vague cause your reluctant to reveil any potential source, but vague because you think not saying too much gives credence to what your saying, when it just looks as though your making it up.


You still aint told me how your source knows this, but fail to tell me why people who have their ear closer to the ground than you, have not brought this up, if they have, then show me, show me the articles that journo's have written about how they suspected this and that before Mayweather sr accusations came out, you wont cause there are none, which logic dictates tells its own story.

[IMDAZED]

Its still big news, who you trying to kid? a guy who has, according to your source, been rumoured to be taking roids, goes from a one dimensional slugger, to knocking people silly, establishes himself as arguably the best fighter in the world, Mayweather sr claims steroids, he arouses the su****ions of numerous people who had heard rumours beforehand, and thats not a scandal Lol

Who exactly decides what's big news? Was Roy Jones testing positive news? You didn't hear about that fact until years later. Why didn't anyone write about it before?

Maybe they aint facts, but like i said, commonsense contradicts it entirely, that you cant dispute.

Sure I can. Then again, you aren't in my shoes, DK. You can't change the fact that I heard it beforehand. Who knows? Maybe it's not true. But I heard the rumor beforehand. Don't believe me...cool. Doesn't change **** for me.

Allegedly, only no proof though eh? not only do you have no proof, you are being as vague as can, but not vague cause your reluctant to reveil any potential source, but vague because you think not saying too much gives credence to what your saying, when it just looks as though your making it up.

With all due respect, DK, I don't know you. You are just some guy on a message board. So if I'm being vague, forgive me. You don't believe - cool. Are we done?

You still aint told me how your source knows this, but fail to tell me why people who have their ear closer to the ground than you, have not brought this up, if they have, then show me, show me the articles that journo's have written about how they suspected this and that before Mayweather sr accusations came out, you wont cause there are none, which logic dictates tells its own story.

DK, not everything that is truth is written down. If every boxing rumor was exposed I'd doubt anyone would have a favorite fighter. You are right, there are no articles I can think of. But I can certainly tell you that Pacquiao's PED use was the source of many conversations in press row...well before Floyd said anything. Again, you don't believe fine. I'm not here to try to make you believe. I know what I know. And I'm fine with that.

[Dynamite Kid]

Who exactly decides what's big news? Was Roy Jones testing positive news? You didn't hear about that fact until years later. Why didn't anyone write about it before?


People tend to use their commonsense. We are talking about a guy who apparently went from a one dimmensional slugger, to whacking big guys out, a trend which had established him as the best fighter in the world, infact do you remember that quote by Lamps? about nobody else in Boxing has improved as dramatically as Pac?

Sure I can. Then again, you aren't in my shoes, DK. You can't change the fact that I heard it beforehand. Who knows? Maybe it's not true. But I heard the rumor beforehand. Don't believe me...cool. Doesn't change **** for me.


Either me, its hot air as far as im concerned.


With all due respect, DK, I don't know you. You are just some guy on a message board. So if I'm being vague, forgive me. You don't believe - cool. Are we done?



I could understand you being vague with names/addresses etc, but its hardly outing your source to say what capacity allows him to be privy to this kinda info, like i said, i think i know why your being vague, it has about as much base as Mayweather sr claims.


[B]DK, not everything that is truth is written down. If every boxing rumor was exposed I'd doubt anyone would have a favorite fighter. You are right, there are no articles I can think of. But I can certainly tell you that Pacquiao's PED use was the source of many conversations in press row...well before Floyd said anything. Again, you don't believe fine. I'm not here to try to make you believe. I know what I know. And I'm fine with that.

Funny that, journo's hardly hold any allegiances to anyone do they? so why would they hold their noise on something like that, particularly when Mayweather sr accusations came to light? i mean, look how long this thing OST has been rumbling on, still no articles about how they to had their su****ions, i gotta say, i dont belive a word of what your saying, not that you care, but neither do i.

[IMDAZED]

People tend to use their commonsense. We are talking about a guy who apparently went from a one dimmensional slugger, to whacking big guys out, a trend which had established him as the best fighter in the world, infact do you remember that quote by Lamps? about nobody else in Boxing has improved as dramatically as Pac?

Why didn't people use their common sense with Roy Jones? What article came out about him using before we learned all of this years later?

Either me, its hot air as far as im concerned.

Good for you. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

I could understand you being vague with names/addresses etc, but its hardly outing your source to say what capacity allows him to be privy to this kinda info, like i said, i think i know why your being vague, it has about as much base as Mayweather sr claims.

My source spent several weeks at you know who's gym in Hollywood. And being the innocent, good guy that he is, it never occurred to him to put two and two together. He just spoke on what he saw, found strange and what was interesting. Funny enough, he supported Pacquiao throughout this whole drama. That is...until he remembered. And he isn't the only one. Look, it doesn't matter what Floyd said. Or what my colleague said. Really doesn't.

Funny that, journo's hardly hold any allegiances to anyone do they? so why would they hold their noise on something like that, particularly when Mayweather sr accusations came to light? i mean, look how long this thing OST has been rumbling on, still no articles about how they to had their su****ions, i gotta say, i dont belive a word of what your saying, not that you care, but neither do i.

You are quite naive if you think journalists don't hold allegiances. I mean...wow. Step back and think that one over for a sec. You're intelligent - you'll see what I mean.

[starkiller]

Floyd a *****.

[Dynamite Kid]

Why didn't people use their common sense with Roy Jones? What article came out about him using before we learned all of this years later?

I dont know, that scenario had different intangibles, all i know, is if you seriously think it would not be a scandal for that to come out about Pac, what with all the insinuations about him, going from one weight to another and taking out bigger men, improving dramatically to establish himself as the best fighter in the world, then i question your logic.


My source spent several weeks at you know who's gym in Hollywood. And being the innocent, good guy that he is, it never occurred to him to put two and two together. He just spoke on what he saw, found strange and what was interesting. Funny enough, he supported Pacquiao throughout this whole drama. That is...until he remembered. And he isn't the only one. Look, it doesn't matter what Floyd said. Or what my colleague said. Really doesn't.


You are quite naive if you think journalists don't hold allegiances. I mean...wow. Step back and think that one over for a sec. You're intelligent - you'll see what I mean.[/QUOTE]


Load of jibber jabber that was, nothing specific what so ever in regards to what peaked his concern, i mean, your talking about how im just a guy on a message board, you acting like him going to get him thrown in jail or something, i dont even know who he is, or care for that matter, but your just being too vague, vague cause its BS IMO.

Journo's are as cut throat as they come when its comes to breaking a story, your naive if you think they would pass up the opportunity to play devils advocate, they do it all!! the time.

[IMDAZED]

I dont know, that scenario had different intangibles, all i know, is if you seriously think it would not be a scandal for that to come out about Pac, what with all the insinuations about him, going from one weight to another and taking out bigger men, improving dramatically to establish himself as the best fighter in the world, then i question your logic.

Yeah, different intangibles...like the guy actually testing positive. You know, the man considered the pound for pound king? Again, why didn't you hear about it until years later? Why was he never punished? See where I'm headed? The answers are obvious.

Load of jibber jabber that was, nothing specific what so ever in regards to what peaked his concern, i mean, your talking about how im just a guy on a message board, you acting like him going to get him thrown in jail or something, i dont even know who he is, or care for that matter, but your just being too vague, vague cause its BS IMO.

Sorry, that's all your getting. Too vague? Too bad. Move on to the next topic. Again, nothing you say changes the fact that I heard the rumor long before Floyd said anything. Nothing. You not believing doesn't change that either.

Journo's are as cut throat as they come when its comes to breaking a story, your naive if you think they would pass up the opportunity to play devils advocate, they do it all!! the time.

They also play allegiances all the time. You think no one knew Roy Jones tested positive? Or that Evander Holyfield was under investigation for two separate steroid rings? Exactly.

[kadyo's]

This thread pushed burner to create a counter thread just when I thought you peeps are tired of reading pac-floyd threads.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yeah, different intangibles...like the guy actually testing positive. You know, the man considered the pound for pound king? Again, why didn't you hear about it until years later? Why was he never punished? See where I'm headed? The answers are obvious.

Sorry, that's all your getting. Too vague? Too bad. Move on to the next topic. Again, nothing you say changes the fact that I heard the rumor long before Floyd said anything. Nothing. You not believing doesn't change that either.

They also play allegiances all the time. You think no one knew Roy Jones tested positive? Or that Evander Holyfield was under investigation for two separate steroid rings? Exactly.

Like i said, i dont know, but i know there has been a lot more focus on Pac regarding OST, and that Jones was always considered an elite fighter, not some guy who went, from what many people viewed, as a one dimmensional guy with only a left hand, to a guy who went up in weight and started ****ing out bigger men, and looked, to some observers, like his power had increased, as i say, you cant compare the two, cause the two circumstances have different intangibles, Pac, regarding drugs, has been under the microscope for a long time now, well since Mayweather made that statement.

You keep saying that, i get it, i dont care either, your silence just diminishes your credibility on the issue, in my mind at least, of coarse you will say i dont care, fair enough, lets leave it at that.


There are enough of them for more than one or two to go against the grain, that much is true. You would have us believe they are all in Manny's pocket, too scared to speak up.