who was P4P better in their prime : RJJ or PBF

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  • Tarver is my dad
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    #21
    Originally posted by JUYJUY
    Yeah, he was so much better than Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Carlos Monzon, Salvador Sanchez, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson (85-88), Evander Holyfield, Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya etc wasn't he? Get real.
    glad to see u agree...

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      #22
      Originally posted by IwatchBoxing
      I'd go with Roy Jones, you have to admit bigger fighters should get more cerdit than the smaller ones, cause they can kick the little ones ass.
      that makes no sence... were not talking about them fighting each other....
      Pound 4 Pound, in their division

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        #23
        Originally posted by trinidadpr87
        Roy Jones jr. right now because he was one of the top p4p fighters for almost 10 years,while Floyd has been p4p material for about 4 or 5 years.
        ahhh good point... i didn't think of that

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          #24
          Originally posted by JUYJUY
          Get it right, Jones avoided several of my favourite fighters. If he had beaten several of my favourite fighters I'd be a Roy Jones nut-hugger!
          whose sum of those fighters? u wer saying he ducked ppl can u say who.. not tryrna be mean, jus wana know ur opinion

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            #25
            Originally posted by JUYJUY
            Yeah, he was so much better than Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Carlos Monzon, Salvador Sanchez, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson (85-88), Evander Holyfield, Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya etc wasn't he? Get real.
            IMO he was better than DLH, holyfield,

            but monzon and sanchez r VERY underrated IMO.......
            but i mean skill wise, publicity, and popularity i guess he was as good since ali

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              #26
              Tough question. I'm gonna go with Floyd, which surprises me actually.

              Roy was simply amazing in his prime, but Floyd is a boxing prodigy. The kid was born and bread to fight. Not only does he beat his opponents, he damages them mentally. He's a guy that once he's done with you, he leaves no doubt who the better fighter is.

              I mean, Gatti is one tough son of a *****. But do you think for a second that Gatti would ever set foot in the ring with him again?

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              • JUYJUY
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                #27
                Originally posted by riz
                whose sum of those fighters? u wer saying he ducked ppl can u say who.. not tryrna be mean, jus wana know ur opinion
                The number one Middleweight's while Roy Jones was at that weight were Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones was never number one at Middleweight. Roy Jones didn't fight Jackson or McClellan, he was too scared plain and simple.

                Roy Jones was Nigel Benn's mandatory contender early in 1993 at 168, Benn was WBC champ, but Jones Jr figured out that Benn would be too tough so he dropped back to down to 160 to avoid Benn who was up for the fight with Jones, he dropped back down to 160 despite being a mandatory contender for a WBC title! If that isn't avoiding somebody then I don't know what is!

                Before fighting Toney, Jones Jr wasn't ranked near the top 10 lb4lb, Toney was #1 lb4lb and Jones Jr was a big underdog. But just six weeks before the Jones Jr fight, Toney was weighing 220lbs! He had to get down to 168! So Toney was extremely dehydrated and a shadow of his former self against Jones Jr due to starving himself, ofcourse Jones Jr managed to pick up the win.. but it wasn't Toney near his best so the win counts for nothing because Jones Jr refused to give Toney a re-match years and years and years. And after beating the current #1 lb4lb in Toney, Jones Jr jumped all the way into the #1 lb4lb spot undeservedly and stayed there for 10 years - very undeservedly. Jones Jr defended his IBF 168 title five times, three of which weren't even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time and another was just a 'blown-up' Lightweight, the first time that Jones Jr ever fought a mandatory contender was his very last fight as a 160-168 fighter against Bryant Brannon (Bryant who?). Roy Jones avoided fellow top five World Champions Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins and Frankie Liles because he was scared, they all called Jones Jr out and tried to make the fight but Jones Jr was plain and simple too scared to take risks.

                After defeating 40-year-old Mike McCallum (who would of taken Jones apart in his prime 7-8 years earlier) Roy Jones was AWARDED the WBC 175 belt, and proceeded to defend the belt against mediocre opposition for six years before jumping to Heavyweight and taking on the worst of the Heavyweight champs (Ruiz), but what people forget is that Dariusz Michalczewski was the Lineal Champion at 175 NOT Roy Jones, Dariusz Michalczewski was the RING Magazine champion at 175 NOT Roy Jones, Roy Jones defeated Virgil Hill at 175 but it was Michalczewski who was the first man to defeat Hill in Hill's previous fight NOT Roy Jones. Michael Nunn was often Jones' mandatory in the mid-to-late 90's but Jones Jr was too scared to fight him and risk losing.

                He fooled all of you by never fighting the best, and you fell for it, believing that he was 'invincible' because he was beating washed up nobodies or green bums with his superior reflexes making up for his so many technical flaws, and you didn't know none the wiser.

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                • JUYJUY
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                  #28
                  Some of my favourite fighters were Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Michael Nunn and Gerald McClellan, and any of them would of given Jones Jr his toughest test by miles.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by riz
                    that makes no sence... were not talking about them fighting each other....
                    Pound 4 Pound, in their division
                    In nature, the king of the jungle is a lion, not a small, tiny coyote, and then there is pyshics, more body mass, more trouble, Roy Jones at the weight he was at, dominating the way he was, moving like he did, will always be better than the smaller Floyd who could move his skinny ass. So Pound for Pound, Roy is as close as a Mayweather, as you gonna get in the heavier divsions, or atleast that we gotten, but obvoiusly divsions arent the same, so you cant really compare the two how you are trying to.
                    Last edited by IwatchBoxing; 07-29-2005, 12:10 AM.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by CUFreeze
                      While Roy was in his prime he rarely lost A ROUND!

                      Floyd in his prime was clearly beaten by Castillo in their first fight.
                      dont say ****** things, floyd wasnt beaten, dont be an idiot.
                      Floyd is in his prime right now, and he is looking to the future, his prime is not even close to over

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