who was P4P better in their prime : RJJ or PBF

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  • simeraksou
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    #11
    Originally posted by JUYJUY
    He had nobody to lose a round against, anybody can look good sparring with mediocre opposition, oh and I assume you haven't seen his fight with the great Fermin Chirino (where Jones just didn't look very good) or haven't seen when the legendary Reggie Miller had him out on his feet for a few rounds.
    Jones must have beaten several of your favourite fighters... heh.

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    • JUYJUY
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      #12
      Originally posted by trinidadpr87
      Do you have the Reggie Miller fight?
      Yeah I should have, Miller catches him in round two and Jones is on ***** street for the next few rounds, that was a sign that Jones had a dodgy chin and in his last couple of fights it's been proven. That's why he ducked everybody all along, after that fight he knew he didn't have a strong enough chin to mix it with the big boys, so he picked his opponents very carefully.
      Last edited by JUYJUY; 07-28-2005, 09:23 PM.

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      • JUYJUY
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        #13
        Originally posted by simeraksou
        Jones must have beaten several of your favourite fighters... heh.
        Get it right, Jones avoided several of my favourite fighters. If he had beaten several of my favourite fighters I'd be a Roy Jones nut-hugger!

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        • jack_the_rippuh
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          #14
          I personally think it's too early to tell.

          But let's not forget about Sugar Ray Leonard and how he lost against Roberto Duran in his prime and yet he's still looked at as better in his prime than Roy Jones Jr.

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          • FistoftheDallasStar
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            #15
            Originally posted by JUYJUY
            Get it right, Jones avoided several of my favourite fighters. If he had beaten several of my favourite fighters I'd be a Roy Jones nut-hugger!
            I have to agree with JUYJUY on this one. I'm not a Roy hater by any means. But I was really disappointed when McClellan lost to Benn because I was looking forward to McClellan beating Roy Jones. Then after what happened in the fight RJJ didn't want to face Benn and he used McClellan's injury as an excuse. The best fighters should fight each other and who knows what could have happened but it would have been a fight for the ages.

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            • JUYJUY
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              #16
              Originally posted by FistoftheDallasStar
              I have to agree with JUYJUY on this one. I'm not a Roy hater by any means. But I was really disappointed when McClellan lost to Benn because I was looking forward to McClellan beating Roy Jones. Then after what happened in the fight RJJ didn't want to face Benn and he used McClellan's injury as an excuse. The best fighters should fight each other and who knows what could have happened but it would have been a fight for the ages.
              I'm a big Benn fan but I have to admit that Benn didn't stand a chance against Jones Post-McClellan, Benn was a shadow of his former self after that fight. BUT, in 1993, Roy Jones was Nigel Benn's mandatory contender.. it had fight of the century written all over it! Why didn't the fight happen? Roy Jones dropped back down to 160 to fight for the vacant IBF title rather than set the boxing world alight by fighting for Benn's WBC title. That's what I have a problem with, he abvoided Benn. Also, Chris Eubank and Steve Collins did everything they could to fight Jones.. rather than fight fellow top five World Champions like Eubank or Collins, Jones defended his IBF 168 title five times and three of his opponents weren't even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time, another was just a 'blown-up' Lightweight, and the first time he ever fought a mandatory was his last ever fight as a 160-168 fighter (against Bryant Brannon, Bryant who?).
              Last edited by JUYJUY; 07-28-2005, 10:10 PM.

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              • FistoftheDallasStar
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                #17
                Originally posted by JUYJUY
                I'm a big Benn fan but I have to admit that Benn didn't stand a chance against Jones Post-McClellan, Benn was a shadow of his former self after that fight. BUT, in 1993, Roy Jones was Nigel Benn's mandatory contender.. it had fight of the century written all over it! Why didn't the fight happen? Roy Jones dropped back down to 160 to fight for the vacant IBF title rather than set the boxing world alight by fighting for Benn's WBC title. That's what I have a problem with, he abvoided Benn. Also, Chris Eubank and Steve Collins did everything they could to fight Jones.. rather than fight fellow top five World Champions like Eubank or Collins, Jones defended his IBF 168 title five times and three of his opponents who weren't even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time, another was just a 'blown-up' Lightweight, and the first time he ever fought a mandatory was his last ever fight as a 160-168 fighter (against Bryant Brannon, Bryant who?).
                Yeah, I didn't think Benn would have beaten Roy either but it was just the principal of it. You fight your mandatory opponent. Jones was the fastest anyone had seen at the time and it really seemed like he was ducking Benn. Plus the fight would have been big enough for it to take place in the United States so it wasn't like Jones had to go to England. It really could have cemented Roy as one of the best middleweights of all time.

                Anyways, PBF is too young to be considered in Roy's category at this point. Give Floyd at least another 5 years before you can really compare them.

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                • JUYJUY
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by FistoftheDallasStar
                  Yeah, I didn't think Benn would have beaten Roy either but it was just the principal of it. You fight your mandatory opponent. Jones was the fastest anyone had seen at the time and it really seemed like he was ducking Benn. Plus the fight would have been big enough for it to take place in the United States so it wasn't like Jones had to go to England. It really could have cemented Roy as one of the best middleweights of all time.
                  If the Benn-Jones fight had happened early in 1993 when Jones was Benn's mandatory, I'd pick Benn to win. Benn was more awkward to hit than anybody Jones has come up against and also punches harder than anybody that dodgy-chinned Jones has come up against. But Post-McClellan, Jones wins every time, because Benn was finished after that McClellan fight.
                  Last edited by JUYJUY; 07-28-2005, 11:11 PM.

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                  • ottoevans
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                    #19
                    Roy Jones is the best fighter since Ali.

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                    • JUYJUY
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ottoevans
                      Roy Jones is the best fighter since Ali.
                      Yeah, he was so much better than Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Carlos Monzon, Salvador Sanchez, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson (85-88), Evander Holyfield, Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya etc wasn't he? Get real.

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