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    Another thing about the trainers job is to be able to reach a guy mentally, to be able to know what buttons to push. You have to be able to work with a guy and know how to talk to him. It is not every guy that responds to "Go out and get him!!" Some fighters you can say things like "Man, what are you doing? This man over here... is trying to take food off your table! You gonna' let him do that?"

    You would be surprised at how many guys that type of thing works on.

    I remember I worked the corner for middleweight Terry Seay when he fought Syd Vanderpool when Syd was young and inexperienced. Terry had about ten fights and was a street guy, a real rugged type of man and boxer. I remember in the corner between rounds against Syd, Terry was showing his fatigue and I said to him "Man, you and I spar ten rounds at a time in the gym and now you are going to sit here and tell me you are tired?? Come on, Terry!" He sat right up, looked me right in the eye, and said "You right, John, you right."

    After the next rounds it was still a close fight but Terry likely might not have been able to get the decision had it went to the final bell. I knew what type of guy Terry was and I said to him "Terry look. We're on Albany Avenue now. ("The Ave." is one of the most notorious streets in Hartford) And this kid over here is trying to take your money! Are you going to just let him take your money or what??"

    Terry suddenly got this look in his eye, a crazy and very determined look, and he went out with a new and renewed energy and ferociousness and stopped Syd in the very next round with a RELENTLESS attack. Syd didn't lose another fight until about six years later when he dropped a twelve round decision on HBO to Bernard Hopkins in a pretty good fight for the IBF middleweight championship of the world.

    With a guy like Terry, that way of corner talking worked. But with me... For me, that was nonsense and didn't work at all. I just wouldn't respond to that type of psychological ploy. Once, back in 1996, I was fighting while my Mother was sick at home in the USA, essentially on her deathbed (she passed away four months later) and my trainer said between rounds "Your mother's at home in her sick bed. She wants you to win this fight and bring this victory home. She's tougher than you! Your mother has more heart than you're showing right now. Do it for her!" And I am sitting there thinking to myself "Come on, man, are you serious right now? My mother couldn't care less about this fight. She doesn't want me here getting hit, she wants me home with her. She wants me to get on a plane and come home. She's dying, man. Don't tell me what she wants as a way to motivate me now."

    He meant well in his intentions but that type of thing just never could reach me with the intended results and if anything, I always just saw it as a way of insulting my intelligence.

    ICE

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    iceman

    do u think vinnie pazienza used steroids?

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    • #3
      Good read. Always nice to get a cornerman's perspective on things. Don't get to hear too much from that point of view.

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      • #4
        What'd you say to Matt Godfrey last Sat?...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
          iceman

          do u think vinnie pazienza used steroids?
          To tell u the truth...I dont know much about steroids or what the signs are but I will say this...Vinny Paz worked out with more intensity in the gym than anyone I have ever trained with...it was impressive to watch him will himself through pain and fatigue with primal yells...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BostonGuy View Post
            What'd you say to Matt Godfrey last Sat?...
            I assume this is your idea of a disrespectful dig at me?

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            • #7
              you always post good stuff on here, thanks alot ice

              your a credit to the sport and boxing scene... keep it up

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY View Post
                I assume this is your idea of a disrespectful dig at me?
                No, not at all. Watching the fight I noticed you were working the corner. It doesn't matter that Godfrey lost, I'd like to know what was being said...

                I apologize if it came off sounding like that...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY View Post
                  Another thing about the trainers job is to be able to reach a guy mentally, to be able to know what buttons to push. You have to be able to work with a guy and know how to talk to him. It is not every guy that responds to "Go out and get him!!" Some fighters you can say things like "Man, what are you doing? This man over here... is trying to take food off your table! You gonna' let him do that?"

                  You would be surprised at how many guys that type of thing works on.

                  I remember I worked the corner for middleweight Terry Seay when he fought Syd Vanderpool when Syd was young and inexperienced. Terry had about ten fights and was a street guy, a real rugged type of man and boxer. I remember in the corner between rounds against Syd, Terry was showing his fatigue and I said to him "Man, you and I spar ten rounds at a time in the gym and now you are going to sit here and tell me you are tired?? Come on, Terry!" He sat right up, looked me right in the eye, and said "You right, John, you right."

                  After the next rounds it was still a close fight but Terry likely might not have been able to get the decision had it went to the final bell. I knew what type of guy Terry was and I said to him "Terry look. We're on Albany Avenue now. ("The Ave." is one of the most notorious streets in Hartford) And this kid over here is trying to take your money! Are you going to just let him take your money or what??"

                  Terry suddenly got this look in his eye, a crazy and very determined look, and he went out with a new and renewed energy and ferociousness and stopped Syd in the very next round with a RELENTLESS attack. Syd didn't lose another fight until about six years later when he dropped a twelve round decision on HBO to Bernard Hopkins in a pretty good fight for the IBF middleweight championship of the world.

                  With a guy like Terry, that way of corner talking worked. But with me... For me, that was nonsense and didn't work at all. I just wouldn't respond to that type of psychological ploy. Once, back in 1996, I was fighting while my Mother was sick at home in the USA, essentially on her deathbed (she passed away four months later) and my trainer said between rounds "Your mother's at home in her sick bed. She wants you to win this fight and bring this victory home. She's tougher than you! Your mother has more heart than you're showing right now. Do it for her!" And I am sitting there thinking to myself "Come on, man, are you serious right now? My mother couldn't care less about this fight. She doesn't want me here getting hit, she wants me home with her. She wants me to get on a plane and come home. She's dying, man. Don't tell me what she wants as a way to motivate me now."

                  He meant well in his intentions but that type of thing just never could reach me with the intended results and if anything, I always just saw it as a way of insulting my intelligence.

                  ICE
                  That's whats up! I would've specifically referenced Garden Street off "The Ave". How you been John!?! Personally I like the fact that you are representing Hartford and CT!!! Anyway, I always enjoyed your contributions. Thanks!

                  BTW, I never made it out to Lion's Den...(Got a baby on the way), it's been busy!

                  Later bro!

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                  • #10
                    That's interesting. I can often see on a fighter's face that the corner's pep talk just isn't going over as intended. It's good that you can adjust to different fighters needs and personalities, instead of taking a one size fits all approach. It's great to have you around here.

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