If Devon Alexander ever wants to be an ATG he should take page from Floyd Mayweather.

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  • Bhopreign
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    #71
    Originally posted by jrosales13
    When Floyd Mayweather had a fight that people felt he lost. He immediately rematch Jose Luis Castillo. He didn't have to give Castillo an immediate rematch. He could of taken that close victory, that some felt he lost, and moved on. Fight somebody else. But, he did what a true champion is suppose to do. He dared to be great and gave Castillo an immediate rematch. Again when he really didn't have to.

    Alexander should do the same. Instead of worrying about Bradley and making an issue about 50-50 split when there was never an issue. He should be giving Kotelnik an immediate rematch. Why is he not pushing for this? Why are the fans not really pushing for this?

    This what separates true greatness from just being good. It separates the boys for the men. This was why Floyd was considered a HOF'er before becoming "money" while Alexander might just end up being a good fighter from his era but falls short of HOF status.
    Only difference is Floyd was injured the first fight, so he knew without him being injured he would fair much better against Castillo. Nothing was wrong with Alexander and if he rematched again he just might lose.

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      #72
      Originally posted by Iceta Lives
      I get what you're saying, but why fight Ortiz who is a hype job until he proves otherwise over a guy who a lot of people think beat you? Certainly doesn't gain any points with me.
      Ortiz is a Top 140 Pounder though. If he fights Kotelnik the fight will look no different than the first one. He didnt have an injured rotator cuff like Floyd did. Thats why I dont agree with the comparison.

      He should just move on and take it as a learning experience.

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        #73
        Originally posted by No Ceilings
        Ortiz is a Top 140 Pounder though. If he fights Kotelnik the fight will look no different than the first one. He didnt have an injured rotator cuff like Floyd did. Thats why I dont agree with the comparison.

        He should just move on and take it as a learning experience.
        He'll alwaybe a question mark unless he just beats so many good fighters then.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Iceta Lives
          He'll alwaybe a question mark unless he just beats so many good fighters then.
          He had a bad night. Every fighter has one. Beating Ortiz is a start. Ortiz is no push over. Hes fast, has a good jab, has good pop, a great left hand. Hes a real good southpaw IMO.

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            #75
            Originally posted by ny123
            Do you even think Alexander has the potential to be an atg? I dont see that kind of potential in him at all i wasnt even impressed when he fought Urango.
            I mean he still young who is to say.

            At 23 B-Hop didn't seem like he had potential to be an ATG. Not saying that Alexander is the next B-Hop. But, at this stage he is a top fighter period. He is not a prospect, he is a top fighter at a young age.

            Is lame to say that Floyd at this age was blah blah blah. Not the point. The point is that Floyd dared to be great by doing an immediate rematch. You have to dare to be great. It was a close fight that Floyd IMO lost but he wanted to remove all doubt and gave an immediate rematch. If Alexander ever wants to remove all doubt he should do the same.

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              #76
              Originally posted by 1pretty boy1
              are you crazy? who told you that bull**** that manny offered marquez the immediate rematch, marquez always repeats in his interviews that he was chasing manny after the first fight.about the third fight i heard that they didn't agree on money split. how you know he priced his self out? maybe manny offered very little amount of money to marquez and marquez refused.

              anyway ortiz is tougher than Kotelnik.
              Yea OK make a thread and then we can discuss it there. And, I will give you links of everything.

              I won't discuss Pac in this thread.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Willie Swindler
                how does it hurt his legacy?

                official records have him beating kotelnik. it was a close fight that could have gone either way. i was shaking my head at the television because kotelnik didnt throw enough punches. typical european fighter. another thing, it cant be called a duck when you went 12 rounds with the guy.

                it sounds as ****** as the idiots who say pac is ducking marquez.

                NEW RULE- YOU CANT SAY A FIGHTER IS DUCKING SOMEONE WHO HE HAS ALREADY FACED.

                you're a fan, so you think like a fan. If you were a fighter or one who is in charge of guiding a fighter, you would think like one. you would choose to rematch kotlenik instead of doing the right thing both boxing & career wise & trying to make a fight with bradley or khan.
                Khan is big money and already beat Kotelnik. But, the problem is he will not be fighting Khan next if the Bradley fight won't go through. He is calling Ortiz if the Bradley fight doesn't go through. Oritz is on a senior citizen tour since getting exposed as the heartless, quitting, hypejob that he was rumored being before.

                You should dare to be great, you should remove all doubt. Floyd did this with Castillo, Roy did this with Tarver.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by No Ceilings
                  Over fighting the Number 1 140 Pounder (Bradley)?

                  Stop it Iceta. Hes not Mayweather. At 23 Mayweather was one of the best fighters on the planet. Alexander is no Floyd.

                  Did Berto rematch Collazo?

                  Did Marg rematch Williams?

                  Did Oscar rematch Tito?

                  Did Winky rematch Taylor?


                  Man it will have no bearing on Alexander's status or career.

                  "rasie his stock with fans". wouldnt beating Bradley do that?
                  But, they should of. They all should of dared to be great. That is why none of those 4 guys are or will be ATG's.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Bhopreign
                    Only difference is Floyd was injured the first fight, so he knew without him being injured he would fair much better against Castillo. Nothing was wrong with Alexander and if he rematched again he just might lose.
                    Says who? Floyd? Anyways....

                    Floyd fans are idiots. I am convinced of this. I should of just mentioned Roy Jones in the title. His fans would had more intellect to the point of the thread.

                    If he losses he lose but he dared to be great. Again I understand going after Bradley and Khan. But, Ortiz? No you remove all doubt you give that man a rematch.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by jrosales13
                      But, they should of. They all should of dared to be great. That is why none of those 4 guys are or will be ATG's.
                      The point is. Alexander 9 times out of 10 would look exactly the same vs, Kotelnik again. Styles make fights.

                      You honestly think Alexander will look more convincing in a second fight? He fight him again he will lose foreal this time. Thats pointless. He should move on and test himself vs. other fighters I dont know when Ortiz turned into a pushover on NSB but hes a good 140 Pound fighter.

                      Khan-Maidana have a fight

                      Bradley is messing around

                      Ortiz is the next best choice.

                      If he fights Kotelnik again he will lose. His legacy isnt dependant on a rematch with him. If he beats Ortiz, Khan and Bradkley will anyone say "well hes not great because he didnt fight Kotelnik again". I dont think they will and theyd be dumb to do so.

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