Wladimir Klitschko is finally recognized by the Ring Magazine and makes p4p list

[Gorilla Dogs]

Wlad is a top 5 heavyweight of all time man. About time he gets recognized son

[WladIsTheChamp]

Good for Wlad, but there has been a reason that the Super Heavyweights have been usually kept out of the P4P list:

Wlad has a distinct size advantage over his opponents that other boxers on the list simply do not have against theirs.

The mythical P4P list was created to answer the question "If all of the fighters in world were the same size, who would be the best?"

Going back his last 12 fights (since his loss to Brewster) he has had an average advantage of 4 inches in height and 14 pounds (he outweighed Chambers by 35lbs and is 6.5 inches taller than Byrd).

Don't get me wrong. I like Wlad. He is a wonderful athlete with good skills and a big right hand. However, math does not lie. Putting it into perspective,proportionally, his recent string is the same as a 6'1'' 160lb Middleweight fighting 5'10' 151lbers. Not as impressive, is it?

You said it yourself, the list is "mythical", there is no magic wand that's going to turn 6'6" 244 lb man into a 6'1" 160 lb man. In reality, the HW Champ rules the roost, he is the ultimate champ because he doesn't have to imagine that he will kick someone's @ss in some "mythical" land where everyone is the same size.

Besides, let's play this imaginary world game, how do you know that Wlad's skills speed and style will stay the same if you shrank him down? I mean his body mechanics wouldn't be the same. Would Floyd still be able to do the same thing if he became 6'6" and 242 pounds? Or would he become a totally different fighter?

[Mr. Philadel]

cool...still think 10 is too low....if they wanted to be REAL they would have the most feared and most dominant champ in ALL the divisions as a top 5 p4p fighter....Wlad should be no lower than 5 IMO

[WladIsTheChamp]

I like Boxrec top p4p list better than Ring Magazine...

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Vitali Klitschko
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Paul Williams
8. Shane Mosley
9. Lucian Bute
10. Timothy Bradley

Yep, that more realistic. Both Klitschkos are "P4P" fighters.

[Medved]

Yep, that more realistic. Both Klitschkos are "P4P" fighters.

Yep, its because hes european and not american. If he was promoted in the USA and born here he will be 1-4 in all the lists. Its true about Heavy Weights, its the manly division that even the non boxing fans wanna see. Nobody cares about a bunch of little midgets running around hitting each other with pillows. When you get hit from a heavyweight whos 40 pounds heavier than you its a big big big diffirence between some bantomweights throwing 2000 punches and landing 600. The fact remains is that its the only division where you fight people 20-40 pounds heavier than you, I mean look at valuev. If a bantomweight got knocked out by a middleweight people would cry how unfair it is and the bantomweight HAD NO chance.

I know Klit brothers dont care about the p4p list because they are the only heavyweights who actually wanna unify ALL the belts and will fight ANYONE regardless of stature or ranking and they dont care if they lose because they will come back stronger. More people in boxing need to look up to these two. They are without a doubt the smartest people in boxing bar none. They respect the sport and actually care about the titles and what they mean unlike people like Dawson who win a title and give it up because they wanna duck people to keep their record safe. Boxing needs to start banning fighters who skip their mandatorys or duck fights that are mandatory. So you got a WBC belt and you miss out on your mandatory because you wanna fight some 40 year old men? Boom 5 year ban from WBC fights. Right now basicly its the europeans who have all the pride / respect and are actually trying to unify the belts. The americans are just doing it so they can be featured on mtv cribs and make a music video with some rappers.

Funny how Wlad is dating Hayden while all the more popular USA fighters are having 20 kids out of wedlock with some trash (dawson) or going out with video ho's.

[KickAzz]

Wlad is a top 5 heavyweight of all time man. About time he gets recognized son

i dunno about that buddy

[WladIsTheChamp]

i dunno about that buddy

He hasn't even stopped fighting yet, I am sure he is going to move up if continues the way he has for a couple of more years.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Yep, its because hes european and not american. If he was promoted in the USA and born here he will be 1-4 in all the lists. Its true about Heavy Weights, its the manly division that even the non boxing fans wanna see. Nobody cares about a bunch of little midgets running around hitting each other with pillows. When you get hit from a heavyweight whos 40 pounds heavier than you its a big big big diffirence between some bantomweights throwing 2000 punches and landing 600. The fact remains is that its the only division where you fight people 20-40 pounds heavier than you, I mean look at valuev. If a bantomweight got knocked out by a middleweight people would cry how unfair it is and the bantomweight HAD NO chance.

I know Klit brothers dont care about the p4p list because they are the only heavyweights who actually wanna unify ALL the belts and will fight ANYONE regardless of stature or ranking and they dont care if they lose because they will come back stronger. More people in boxing need to look up to these two. They are without a doubt the smartest people in boxing bar none. They respect the sport and actually care about the titles and what they mean unlike people like Dawson who win a title and give it up because they wanna duck people to keep their record safe. Boxing needs to start banning fighters who skip their mandatorys or duck fights that are mandatory. So you got a WBC belt and you miss out on your mandatory because you wanna fight some 40 year old men? Boom 5 year ban from WBC fights. Right now basicly its the europeans who have all the pride / respect and are actually trying to unify the belts. The americans are just doing it so they can be featured on mtv cribs and make a music video with some rappers.

Funny how Wlad is dating Hayden while all the more popular USA fighters are having 20 kids out of wedlock with some trash (dawson) or going out with video ho's.

More people in life need to look up to these two, not just boxing. I can't think of one character flaw or anything they have done that is negative. In fact, I think they are too perfect. I think Americans just love a little brashness and a little controvercy, humility is not as respected by Americans as much.

I think he will get his dues though, he is slowly but surely getting more and more recognized. Plus that call out of Diva Gaye on YT helped a little, he should become more visible in the States through Hollywood. He is killing two birds with one stone with that Heroe's chick, he gets a nice 21-year old piece of @ss and more exposure in the States.

[appollo33]

More people in life need to look up to these two, not just boxing. I can't think of one character flaw or anything they have done that is negative. In fact, I think they are too perfect. I think Americans just love a little brashness and a little controvercy, humility is not as respected by Americans as much.

I think he will get his dues though, he is slowly but surely getting more and more recognized. Plus that call out of Diva Gaye on YT helped a little, he should become more visible in the States through Hollywood. He is killing two birds with one stone with that Heroe's chick, he gets a nice 21-year old piece of @ss and more exposure in the States.

So true!!!!!!

[Mr. Philadel]

More people in life need to look up to these two, not just boxing. I can't think of one character flaw or anything they have done that is negative. In fact, I think they are too perfect. I think Americans just love a little brashness and a little controvercy, humility is not as respected by Americans as much.

I think he will get his dues though, he is slowly but surely getting more and more recognized. Plus that call out of Diva Gaye on YT helped a little, he should become more visible in the States through Hollywood. He is killing two birds with one stone with that Heroe's chick, he gets a nice 21-year old piece of @ss and more exposure in the States.

Exactly!!!!!!!