Wladimir Klitschko is finally recognized by the Ring Magazine and makes p4p list

[IMDAZED]

Cong**** to Wlad. He earned it the hard way: in the ring. Competition has been laughable but it's the best the division has and he just keeps winning. And making it look easy. If he keeps this up for another few years it'll be very hard to deny his legacy.

[BattlingNelson]

No Calzaghe. I have seen all of Wlad's recent opponents either against him or in other fights. No offense but the best fighter he's faced in the last 5 yrs may have been an out of shape Sam Peter, who knocked him down 3 times.

I think the best fighter was Chagaev.


Anyway p4p rankings is difficult to make, highly subjective by definition and is always debateable.

[The Big Dunn]

I think the best fighter was Chagaev.


Anyway p4p rankings is difficult to make, highly subjective by definition and is always debateable.

ABsolutely subjective. remeber the p4p thing is designed to favor smaller fighters because for years in the US the HWT champ was the man even though there were much better fighters at smaller weights.

You sort of made my point when saying his best win was Chagaev. Honestly, Ruslan Chagaev is nowhere near a Razor Ruddock or a Oliver Mccall, who were not excatly great fighters.

[Stone Roses!]

I think the best fighter was Chagaev.


Anyway p4p rankings is difficult to make, highly subjective by definition and is always debateable.

[The Hammer]

It doesn't matter how old they were, only where they were when they fought. Its like floyd and mosley. Was shane 39 yup. But he was also the consensus #1 ww in the world and lineal champ. Were glen johnson and tarver old, yup. were they more respected then anyone wlad has ever beaten? Yes. BTW, i'm sure you saw glenn cloud fight. AT worse, glenn is one of the top 5 or 6 lthwt''s in the world right now.

But the part you don't get is, WHY they were more respected.

Why do you say if Wlad KOs Rahman (who KOed Lewis) it's no good because Rahman was old at the time (age 35), but if Dawson decisions a 40 year old Tarver it's good and makes him p4p worthy?

Please think and understand your own biases.

Chagaev at age 17 defeated the man who KOed Tua in the amateurs, Felix Savon. He had never been down as an amateur or a pro before he fought Wlad.

Sultan Ibragimov schooled Shannon Briggs and is a very underrated win by Wlad.

[The Hammer]

You sort of made my point when saying his best win was Chagaev. Honestly, Ruslan Chagaev is nowhere near a Razor Ruddock or a Oliver Mccall, who were not excatly great fighters.

You are very prejudiced.

Chagaev had never been down and was undefeated. He was a world amateur champion and defeated the great Felix Savon at age 17. He defeated a two-year-younger Valuev by a wider margin than Haye did.

[The Big Dunn]

But the part you don't get is, WHY they were more respected.

Why do you say if Wlad KOs Rahman (who KOed Lewis) it's no good because Rahman was old at the time (age 35), but if Dawson decisions a 40 year old Tarver it's good and makes him p4p worthy?

Please think and understand your own biases.

Chagaev at age 17 defeated the man who KOed Tua in the amateurs, Felix Savon. He had never been down as an amateur or a pro before he fought Wlad.

Sultan Ibragimov schooled Shannon Briggs and is a very underrated win by Wlad.

You are missreading my point. Rahman was in his prime in the 90's. He is not now. Can we agree? Yet he still occupies about the same level as he did then only he is 10 -12years older and hi skilss and credibility have significantly diminshed. Same with Tua and Grant. They are still there becasue of the lack of good young fighters to take there place at HWT.

Tarver and Johnson, like Mosley, are 40 yrs old but they were highly regarded when Dawson beat them the 1st time. Johnson, Bhop, and Tarver even though they were old agewise had kept themselves in great shape and retained their skills and credibility.

[The Hammer]

It's sad but predictable that FF has to spoil what could have been a good thread with silly racist comments.

I never said anything racist. YOU are racist against East European boxers.

Calzaghe was recently #3, Hatton was recently #8 and has been as high as #4.

"Recently"??

There hasn't been a European fighter there for a couple of years, since Calzaghe retired and Hatton was defeated.

Compare the Ring top ten to BoxRec's unbiased top 10 p4p.

[THE REED]

Most definitely.

Most definitely.

I've actually always thought he should have been on there for a awhile now.

[The Big Dunn]

You are very prejudiced.

Chagaev had never been down and was undefeated. He was a world amateur champion and defeated the great Felix Savon at age 17. He defeated a two-year-younger Valuev by a wider margin than Haye did.

How am I prejudiced because I don't think Ruslan Chagaev is a decent hwt contender?

When you can't refute my post with facts don't do like these childish pac fans and start labelling me like that. Deal with the messae don't attack the messenger.

Frankly, I don't care what he did as an amatuer. Beating Valuev (a BUM) by a wider margin than a blown up crusierweight doesn't mean anything either.