Hopkins was robbed

[kallsop]

ALL round that could go either way are hopkins rounds!!!!!

Why are all the rounds you see as even being scored only for Hopkins? Why not score them even if you believe they are even? Your scoring methodology is seriously flawed and not professional.

[glarrabee]

Why are all the rounds you see as even being scored only for Hopkins? Why not score them even if you believe they are even? Your scoring methodology is seriously flawed and not professional.

Rounds are never scored even. If even rounds would have been scored even the fight would not have been close. Taylor won maybe two rounds convincingly, while bernard won at least four unquestionably.

[SnoopySmurf]

Rounds are allowed to be scored 10-10 round if the judge can not be convinced either fighter dominated the other.

[scap]

I've watched this fight 4 times now and every time i am more pissed at the decision. In these threads about hopkins dis*****g the decision everyone keeps saying that the judge that scored it 116-112 should be evaluated.... BS. I score it 116-112 every time i watch it, I even give round 9 to taylor because well placed body shots. Watch this fight a few times and see who is throwing puches and who is LANDING punches. Rounds 1,3,6, and 9 for taylor. The rest are B-Hop's rounds! ALL round that could go either way are hopkins rounds!!!!! To be the champ you need to BEAT the champ! Bernard Hopkins... The Peoples CHAMP!!!! Hopefully Taylor is ready by october because B-Hop is fighting in october, if it's not Taylor it will be someone else.

I can easily see how the fight could have been scored for Hopkins...I also can see how it could have been scored for Taylor as well(what were you looking for), there were rounds where Nard was firing in the teens for total punches thrown, a fighter didnt need to be better than Nard they just needed to outwork him and for a some of thge duller rounds that is wha the kid (taylor) did...

Do you think the saying it was a robbery is a little too over the top?

Robberies are for fights like Whitaker vs. Chavez and Augustus vs. Burton...fights that absolutely psotiviely could have gone to 1 guy and 1 guy only...when you have 50 % of the people saying it went 1 way and 50 saying it went the other way how the hell could you consider the fight to be a robbery.

Dont overuse this term, save it for the right time and the right fights, this is not one of them-even the hardest of hard NArd lovers should admit that a robbery is not what took place last saturday.

Did Nard deserve to win, sure, maybe...was he robbed-no, his activity level in the first half of the fight leads me to believe he has one person to blame for his belts going goodbye and it is not the judges.

[glarrabee]

Rounds are allowed to be scored 10-10 round if the judge can not be convinced either fighter dominated the other.

Sure rounds can be scored 10-10... but they never are.

[glarrabee]

I can easily see how the fight could have been scored for Hopkins...I also can see how it could have been scored for Taylor as well(what were you looking for), there were rounds where Nard was firing in the teens for total punches thrown, a fighter didnt need to be better than Nard they just needed to outwork him and for a some of thge duller rounds that is wha the kid (taylor) did...

Do you think the saying it was a robbery is a little too over the top?

Robberies are for fights like Whitaker vs. Chavez and Augustus vs. Burton...fights that absolutely psotiviely could have gone to 1 guy and 1 guy only...when you have 50 % of the people saying it went 1 way and 50 saying it went the other way how the hell could you consider the fight to be a robbery.

Dont overuse this term, save it for the right time and the right fights, this is not one of them-even the hardest of hard NArd lovers should admit that a robbery is not what took place last saturday.

Did Nard deserve to win, sure, maybe...was he robbed-no, his activity level in the first half of the fight leads me to believe he has one person to blame for his belts going goodbye and it is not the judges.

I'm not a hopkins fan.. i'm a boxing fan. Hopkins is the better fighter and was the better fighter on saturday. This "outworked" hoopla is bull. Is that all a fighter needs to do to win a fight these days is swing his fists more than the other guy. Hopkins landed better punches and a higher percentage, he landed more punches overall and the numbers on power punches were not even close. B-hop landed more power punches in every round except for rounds 2,6, and 7.

[scap]

I'm not a hopkins fan.. i'm a boxing fan. Hopkins is the better fighter and was the better fighter on saturday. This "outworked" hoopla is bull. Is that all a fighter needs to do to win a fight these days is swing his fists more than the other guy. Hopkins landed better punches and a higher percentage, he landed more punches overall and the numbers on power punches were not even close. B-hop landed more power punches in every round except for rounds 2,6, and 7.

I had no preference as to who I wanted to win just like you.

But...

Hopkins in his last 3 or 4 fights has shown lesser fighters how to beat him, which is outworking him, sorry when NArd thows 17 punches in a round and the other guy throws 45 or 50 it is going to be tough to give him rounds.

Fortunately for Hopkins guys like Oscar and Eastman were willing to mirror Hopkins in activity level and he was able to tightly win rounds...coming into this fight I thought if Taylor thru more pucnhes than Hopkins he would win, Im not saying it is right but what I am saying is that a blueprint was written up a while ago based upon NArd's very slow methodical style which set up perfect for a lesser figher like Taylor to steal rounds via activity not necesasarily substance.

[Brooks]

I'm not exactlty Hopkin's biggest fan. But anyway, I did initially score the fight for Taylor. However, with the benefit of instant replay, I have to change my opinion on the outcome of the fight. Also, I can not blame the 2 judges' scoring the fight for Taylor, as Hopkins wasn't aggressive enough, despite his accuracy and effectiveness.

Judges do not have instant replay. So we must go with their first score and you say you scored it for Taylor first time. Taylor won, good call. I too scored for Taylor the firt time at 116-112. I also rewatched and rescored, I then scored 115-113 for Taylor. No way does B-Hop win any of the first 8 rounds except for round 5. Bernard did not do enough to justify that he was even alive in the first 8 rounds. Taylor was busy and landing.

I know some of you will be saying look at the punch stats. Ok, look at the last 4 rounds when Hopkins was throwing punches, I would bet he threw 75% of his total punches in those 4 rounds. The four rounds in which he definately won.

[SnoopySmurf]

Judges do not have instant replay. So we must go with their first score and you say you scored it for Taylor first time. Taylor won, good call. I too scored for Taylor the firt time at 116-112. I also rewatched and rescored, I then scored 115-113 for Taylor. No way does B-Hop win any of the first 8 rounds except for round 5. Bernard did not do enough to justify that he was even alive in the first 8 rounds. Taylor was busy and landing.

I know some of you will be saying look at the punch stats. Ok, look at the last 4 rounds when Hopkins was throwing punches, I would bet he threw 75% of his total punches in those 4 rounds. The four rounds in which he definately won.

Look at my last 2 rounds. You'll see "posing" or "standing" typed up. Bernard stood there when he had Taylor hurt. Especially in the last 50 seconds of the 12th round! He knew he needed a KO to win and didn't take it. Didn't press it. I can't understand why he didn't try for the KO. He didn't look winded nor hurt. I dunno. It was his fight to lose.

[tracylee]

thanks for the welcome to the forum.

Lol, I'll be nice and welcome you, but I have to disagree with you on the fight. I scored it in favor of Taylor by 2 pts. but could have lived with a draw. The thing is, an actual "robbery", from what I've been told repeatedly (and not so nicely) is when the guy that lost actually won BY A LANDSLIDE!! Not by a couple of pts...This fight is supposedly what is called a 'bad call or bad decision'. You cant have a robbery when the fight was that close.
Other than that, it's not fair to assume any and all close rd's automatically go to Nard. That method is totally cutting out anything and everything that the other fight is doing during that rd.
As for being insulted instead of welcomed..think nothing of it and take it in stride. Thats just the way this forum seems to be, trust me!