~No Ceilings Re-Vised P4P List: 8-16-10.~

[Mikhnienko]

I like this list, but with a couple changes.

1. Manny Pacquiao. Doesn't need to be explained.

2. Floyd Mayweather. Interchangeable with Pacquiao, but like you said not fighting enough.

3. Juan Manuel Marquez. I thought the fight with Diaz showed his skills have not declined much if at all. Still probably the best fighter at 135 or 130 if Marquez wanted to fight there.

4. Paul Williams. Little bit of shine lost due to some tough fights over the last year, but the guy is winning and the hopefully eventual fight with Sergio could cement him at number three over Marquez.

5. Chad Dawson. I won't drop him like everyone else is. He had a bad night, he'll get over it, and I would be surprised if it ever happens again.

6. Fernando Montiel. He is on a serious roll, you have to start ranking him up there on these lists.

7. Andre Ward. A little premature maybe to put him here, but he has been the only fighter not tested in a tourney where the best are fighting the best, and his skills warrant a spot.

8. Tim Bradley. Love how versatile he is, he can fight any kind of fight. I feel he is a cut above everyone else in arguably the deepest division in the sport.

9. Sergio Martinez. Putting him high on this list seems wrong to me, if he beats Paul Williams in a rematch I'll think much differently but losing to Williams and beating Pavlik shouldn't get him a top 5 ranking. He should be on the list though.

10. Miguel Cotto. He lost to Manny Pacquiao, no reason to dump him off p4p lists. Another convincing performance against a high quality fighter and we can put him right back in the top 5 or 6.

lol So PW is at #3 on account of a controversial decision over Martinez yet Martinez beating Pavlik, winning the championship moving up a weight, arguably beating Williams and beating Cintron (something Paul wasn't doing) doesn't get him top 5. Perhaps you should re-think that.

[S.G.]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Paul Williams
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Fernando Montiel
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
8. Anselmo Moreno
9. Andre Ward
10. Tomasz Adamek

[bojangles1987]

lol So PW is at #3 on account of a controversial decision over Martinez yet Martinez beating Pavlik, winning the championship moving up a weight, arguably beating Williams and beating Cintron (something Paul wasn't doing) doesn't get him top 5. Perhaps you should re-think that.

Williams is at number 4 for me because of his body of work, not because of his last two fights. He's earned the high spot on that list over the last 5 years or so. Sergio was on nobody's p4p lists before the Williams fight, and two fights, one which he lost, I don't think gets him top 5.

He beats Paul Williams in a rematch, he jumps as high as 3 or 4 possibly.

[Sam Donald]

This is a good post. props to you

[BillyBoxing]

1. Manny Pacquiao: He moves up to Number 1 with Floyds inactivity. His 2010 has been a joke so far with Clottey and Marg. He'll be out of this spot when Floyd announces his next fight.

2. Floyd Mayweather: Dropped down due to inactivity. Was off to a great start by being the fighter with boxing's highest rated win by beating Lineal Chap P4P Number 3 Mosley but were now waiting for his next fight.

3. Paul Williams: Been at 3 for a while now. Dawson getting his ass beat and embarrassed did nothing to move him out this spot.

4. Juan Manuel Marquez: Getting old and still whooping ass. His fight was Diaz was surprisingly good. Hes now about to fight Katsidis which is MUCH better than fighting Morales or Hatton. He gets his spot back at 4.

5. Sergio Martinez: Still at 5. I was tempted to put him at 4 over JMM. Has a fight with Paul Williams in November that will have big pound for pound implications. One of these guys will be P4P Number 1 when Floyd and Pac retire.

6. Andre Ward: The favorite to win Boxing's toughest gauntlet the S6. Next fight vs. Dirrell.

7. Chad Dawson: Drops way down to to losing to a fighter as bad as Pascal. Terrible loss.

8. Fernando Montiel: The best fighter in boxings best weight class. He has been on a roll this year and him beating Donaire makes him a lock to be fighter of the year.

9. Miguel Cotto: Won a title at 154 when many didnt think anything was left. He dominated that fight and earned his way back to Boxings elite category.

10. Wladmir Klitschko: I dont rank heavies ever but I would be doing Wlad a disservice by putting Lopez, Donaire, Bradley, Mosley, Hopkins or Cab on this list. So he checks in at Number 10.


Just missed the cut: ( in no particular order) Bute, Dirrell, Calderon, Poonsawat, Cab, Mosley, Bradley, Donaire, Lopez, Alexander, Gamboa, and Wonjongkam.

BURNER FOR GOD SAKE.

Do you think Williams last performances against Cintron and Martinez make him P4P number 3??
It's ridiculous.It's a joke,the guy was getting beat,tagged by Cintron.

Be honnest,open your eyes and put that guy out of the top 5.

After yall don't understand why foreign posters hate on US fighters out there.

Cintron was ahead after 4 rounds,many thought Martinez won...
A fighter like JMM is 1 or 2 classes above Williams,JMM was just outsized,outweighed and outclassed by Mayweather.

[BillyBoxing]

BURNER FOR GOD SAKE.

Do you think Williams last performances against Cintron and Martinez make him P4P number 3??
It's ridiculous.It's a joke,the guy was getting beat,tagged by Cintron.

Be honnest,open your eyes and put that guy out of the top 5.

After yall don't understand why foreign posters hate on US fighters out there.

Cintron was ahead after 4 rounds,many thought Martinez won...
A fighter like JMM is 1 or 2 classes above Williams,JMM was just outsized,outweighed and outclassed by Mayweather.

Even Klit deserve to be ranked higher than Williams.

What Williams has done late except beating Kole,Verno Philips,and looking vulnerable against Cintron and Martinez?

Wlad Klit beat Rahman,Chagaev(only man to defeat the great Savon twice and clearly) and Chambers every seconds of the fight.
It's better than what P Will has done recently.

HW isn't by miles the best division in boxing,but the Klits and the few top heavies (I'm not talking about Arreola) are being underrated.

[BillyBoxing]

What Adamek has done in the last 2 years > Williams, Ward, Cotto.

Adamek beat O'neill Bell and Steve USS,two lineal CW champ in a row...
Then Destroyed undefeated Banks...
Then beat HWs good contender Estrada and 95% ko ratio one dimmensional Arreola.
Not bad for a former LHW...

Dawson was a bad match up for him,and has improved since he trains in the USA.

Adamek get beat Dawson?
Williams by Quintana wich is worse...

Adamek over Williams unless Williams beat Martinez clearly in a rematch.

Simple,fair,and square...

But Williams is HBO and american...

[BillyBoxing]

Williams is at number 4 for me because of his body of work, not because of his last two fights. He's earned the high spot on that list over the last 5 years or so. Sergio was on nobody's p4p lists before the Williams fight, and two fights, one which he lost, I don't think gets him top 5.

He beats Paul Williams in a rematch, he jumps as high as 3 or 4 possibly.

Being 1-1 against Quintana.
Beating Philips.
Having 2 close fights with Martinez and Cintron.
Beating Margo...........

......is what Williams has done in his career......

.....and doesn't make you even TOP 10,let alone TOP 5.

The guy is overrated by his nuthuggers and those only watching boxing on HBO...

[ChampBox@PR]

burrner why in the blue hell is Ward in you list. Why is Dawson in you list after getting clown?????'

Bum Williams should not be #3 thats ridiculoussss

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

burrner why in the blue hell is Ward in you list. Why is Dawson in you list after getting clown?????'

Bum Williams should not be #3 thats ridiculoussss

Because one loss shouldnt drop Dawson off the list completely. Hes still young and still can improve.

Ward is the best 168 Pounder in the world and hes dominated everybody es stepped in the ring with.

Williams is Number 3 on just about every list.