Margarito's wraps were signed off "ok" before the cotto fight...

[Mr. Fantastic]

He cheated move on people.

Unfortunately you haven't.

Are u a dumb ass or do you like acting like a dumbass.

U know damn well Tito's case is not the same as margarito's.

Extra gauze is not the same thing as sulfur and calcium.
You need to get that thru ur small brain.

Margarito beat Cotto WOHHOOO!!! So what , So did Pacquiao. Ur point is??

u still celebrating Margarito won. Is is because Mexican boxers have nothing better to celebrate , that ur still celebrating that win.

Mosley beat margaritos ass worse and its actually more recent. Should african americans be celebrating still and making fun of ur potato sack.

Why cant u accept the fact that Margarito almost fought with loaded gloves , and the possibility that he did it before is pretty big. Also why cant u accept that Tito did not attempt to load his gloves , and accept that ****m tought he had too much gauze.

Here is your escape, always running for the it ain't the same excuse. Doesn't change the fact that it was illegal. No matter how you fools try to flip it.

Actually people still make fun of Margarito getting KOd. Unlike most of you, I moved the hell on.

I do accept the fact that he TRIED. Was I upset?? You bet.

Margarito was doing a scince experiment before he fought which explains all the ingredients.

That or he was ******* off in the locker room.

Which is it?

Move on people??

[jrosales13]

Here is your escape, always running for the it ain't the same excuse. Doesn't change the fact that it was illegal. No matter how you fools try to flip it.

Actually people still make fun of Margarito getting KOd. Unlike most of you, I moved the hell on.

I do accept the fact that he TRIED. Was I upset?? You bet.

It was illegal in New York no doubt.

But, was there a difference between what Tito was accused of and what Margarito was accused of?

And, which one was more sever infraction?

Again I am conceding that the way Tito wrapped his hands were ILLEGAL in New York.... But, now can you also answer my 2 questions.

Thanks in advance.

[Mr. Fantastic]

It was illegal in New York no doubt.

But, was there a difference between what Tito was accused of and what Margarito was accused of?

And, which one was more sever infraction?

Again I am conceding that the way Tito wrapped his hands were ILLEGAL in New York.... But, now can you also answer my 2 questions.

Thanks in advance.

TY for admitting that it was Illegal. That was my point.

Of course, Margarito's was more serious. I never denied that.

[pistol whip]

Not saying Tony was dirty for the Cotto fight....but it's not like the CSAC caught Margarito either. They would have signed off if it wasn't for Richardson, so that reasoning means absolutely nothing.

But you know hes fought multiple times in all the bigest boxing states like I said thats a whole lot of incompatence that I find unlikely for commissions that have that much experience. I think you are just overexaggerating things to best serve you argument.

[jrosales13]

TY for admitting that it was Illegal. That was my point.

Of course, Margarito's was more serious. I never denied that.

Would you also admit that Margarito was being "accused" of was illegal not only in California but damn near everywhere.

But, while what Tito was being accused of was really only illegal on a state by state bases and not everywhere like Marg.

[savorduhflavor]

But you know hes fought multiple times in all the bigest boxing states like I said thats a whole lot of incompatence that I find unlikely for commissions that have that much experience. I think you are just overexaggerating things to best serve you argument.

What am I over exaggerating? And what is my point?

I said I'm not saying Tony was dirty in the Cotto fight...I'm legit not convinced of that.

I was simply saying that the NSAC and the NJSAC and NYSAC signing off on his gloves is not good evidence of it not happening because the same thing would have happened in the Mosley bout if Richardson wasn't there.

Just simply stating facts.

[HaglerSteelChin]

As i said in another thread about Margs just look at his last 2 fights what happened, he got KTFO and in his most recent fight his opponent mocked and laughed at his power.

What is more likely that Margs did something illegal years ago or closer to his fight with Shane Mosley?

The whole topic is already been discussed numerous time, but we won't know the 100% truth one way or another. We only can speculate and take the circumstanial evidence.

If someone has great confidence in the state atheltic commissions, TWO WORDS LUIS RESTO, enough said.

[Nuurzhaelan]

Unfortunately you haven't.



Here is your escape, always running for the it ain't the same excuse. Doesn't change the fact that it was illegal. No matter how you fools try to flip it.

Actually people still make fun of Margarito getting KOd. Unlike most of you, I moved the hell on.

I do accept the fact that he TRIED. Was I upset?? You bet.





Move on people??

So Mosley wasn't in the P4P ratings and then beats #7 P4P Margarito. That moves him up to 3?? He didn't deserve that spot, specially with the INACTIVITY he had.

FACT MOSLEY CHEATED, Floyd gave him his biggest payday. Pac gives it to one and he's the enemy. Don't forget Mosley got away with it too. Didn't pay no suspension or nothing while Margs did.

Neither have you. No disrespect intended, but you also seem not to answer the most salient points I make:

At best that means that Mosley does not deserve his fights or paydays and should have been suspended, not that margarito should not have been punished as he has.

Still, I would not condemn PEDs as much as weapons in the ring. Oh, you'll contend that the wraps were soft, blah blah blah. I will argue that the reason there are precise rules for the materials used and their application to the fighters' hands is because of how much a little bit can affect the punching power. Ten ounce gloves versus Eight ounce gloves. Do you know how much a pound is? It's pretty insignificant, at least to me. It feels like nothing. Now divide that insignificance by 8 **16 ounces in a pound) for the 2 ounce difference between 8 and 10 ounce gloves).

There is a good reason that higher weight divisions, with special exceptions, mandate 10 ounce gloves for higher weight divisions. Two ounces is significant, evidently VERY significant.

Wasn't Trinidad in trouble for allegedly wrapping his hands incorrectly? The story is muddied at best, but all that was ever found there were the proper materials and supposedly just THAT stuff is what hopkins' camp argued was done incorrectly and they wanted it changed. It could have been to mess with Trinidad's concentration or it could have been a legitimate complaint. But...Richardson is also the guy who caught margarito's attempted cheating. Raises questions all around.

What I am getting at, though, is that incorrectly wrapping hands is probably more dangerous to the opposing fighter than PEDs, at least in terms of damage per connect.

The other thing is that whether margarito or his trainer are culpable for this crime, it is almost inconceivable that it was the first time it was perpetrated. It's not too difficult to fool the CSAC as it took ****m 3 times to catch it.

So, it's not just one time that we are dealing with here...but his whole career which is highly in doubt. I don't expect you to appreciate our position, but we're not picking on him for no reason.

(oh, and as for the edit, computer's not working right at the moment...so I was not trying to be a **** earlier either...I really did wanna type all this other stuff up)

[Sin City]

So how can he be labled as a cheater? Wraps or no wraps Cotto has no defense, no head movement. Anybody who takes punches to the head at will for 11 rounds is gonna get ****ed up wraps or no wraps....

uhm.. because he tried to cheat against Mosley and was caught

[Mr. Fantastic]

Would you also admit that Margarito was being "accused" of was illegal not only in California but damn near everywhere.

But, while what Tito was being accused of was really only illegal on a state by state bases and not everywhere like Marg.

Yea I'll admit that as well. But it's based on that he got caught so of course people are going to jump and accuse without knowing the facts.


Tito was accused everywhere as well. You should remember that, you're a Tito fan. I remember people wouldn't shut up about it just like they are now about Margs.