Pernell Whitaker vs. Manny Pacquiao @ 135

[IMDAZED]

A puncher's chance= the only way fighter A has any chance of beating fighter B is by landing a lucky punch. Let's not even use the word "Lucky" and just state that they only can win by landing something big. Let's think about what we are really saying with a comment like this. Basically you are implying, indirectly, that nothing in that fighters game will work against the other fighter and for him to win he has to hope to land something big.

Chavez had things in his game that could work against Whitaker. He lost that fight but that still didn't mean he was reduced to a punchers chance as his only hope to beat Chavez.

Chavez-Whitaker. A fight where a legend is outboxed, outfought, outclassed and reduced to the hopes of landing one shot that can completely turn the fight around. That's how a great can be reduced to a puncher's chance. Got it?

[Mr Reality]

Barrera has always been more skilled than Marquez prime for prime and Manny crushed Marco. I see where your going with this though..........

I don't buy this. The wars between Barrera & Morales seemed to have taken something out of Barerra. The brain surgery might have also played a factor.

Pacquiao vs Marquez were both fights that could have gone either way in many analysts opinion. However, the unbaised fight analysts gave the fights to JMM (Bob Sugar comes to mind). In my mind JMM cleary won the II match. He was the champ coming in, out boxed Pac, bloodied him and finished strong. Heck he was the champ with the belts coming in. Wow. The only blood Pac drew from Marquez was when he headbutted JMM. The face tells the tale as well as the cleanly landed power punches troughout the fight.

[Khalid X]

Chavez-Whitaker. A fight where a legend is outboxed, outfought, outclassed and reduced to the hopes of landing one shot that can completely turn the fight around. That's how a great can be reduced to a puncher's chance. Got it?

Any fighter who is losing a match badly is basically reduced to a punchers chance. I'm not talking about was things aren't going your way and your behind big time, rather leading up to a fight between the two. Do you honestly think prior to that fight any credible boxing expert/analyst stated that Chavez was reduced to a punchers chance? Obvously not and that the point I was making. Again we are talking about going into the fight, not when someone is behind badly.

[Khalid X]

I don't buy this. The wars between Barrera & Morales seemed to have taken something out of Barerra. The brain surgery might have also played a factor.
Pacquiao vs Marquez were both fights that could have gone either way in many analysts opinion. However, the unbaised fight analysts gave the fights to JMM (Bob Sugar comes to mind). In my mind JMM cleary won the II match. He was the champ coming in, out boxed Pac, bloodied him and finished strong. Heck he was the champ with the belts coming in. Wow. The only blood Pac drew from Marquez was when he headbutted JMM. The face tells the tale as well as the cleanly landed power punches troughout the fight.

Tell that to Hamed, Tapia, Peden, Ayala and other top tier fighters Barrerra beat after he fought Morales.

[j]

which pac are we talking about? and which whitaker? pac now, with his increase in boxing ability, would dispatch of sweet pea. and that isnt even a doubt for me.

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Any fighter who is losing a match badly is basically reduced to a punchers chance. I'm not talking about was things aren't going your way and your behind big time, rather leading up to a fight between the two. Do you honestly think prior to that fight any credible boxing expert/analyst stated that Chavez was reduced to a punchers chance? Obvously not and that the point I was making. Again we are talking about going into the fight, not when someone is behind badly.

What do you mean we're talking about going into a fight? No ****. And going into the fight both were ATGs. And when they fought, Pea reduced him to a puncher's chance. How? With the skillset he had going into the fight. Please stop confusing yourself. You asked how could an ATG only have a puncher's chance. You need no further proof than nearly every Pea fight. So in relation to this topic, that's how.

[Mr Reality]

Tell that to Hamed, Tapia, Peden, Ayala and other top tier fighters Barrerra beat after he fought Morales.

Yo dummy, this just adds to the list of tough fights he took on before he faced your beloved Pacquioa. Oh, he fought Morales a second time during that peroid. Barerra did not cherry pick his way and wait for downward sloping fighters.

[Khalid X]

What do you mean we're talking about going into a fight? No ****. And going into the fight both were ATGs. And when they fought, Pea reduced him to a puncher's chance. How? With the skillset he had going into the fight. Please stop confusing yourself. You asked how could an ATG only have a puncher's chance. You need no further proof than nearly every Pea fight. So in relation to this topic, that's how.

Dude you completely missed the points I have made throughout this thread. hell I even address the point you just made when I was replying to Domicano Soy earlier.

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Dude you completely missed the points I have made throughout this thread. hell I even address the point you just made when I was replying to Domicano Soy earlier.

Honestly I did. I still can't see how any ATG is reduced to a punchers chance. I personally think that is a bit much but if you feel that way, cool I can respect your opinion and we can agree to disagree.

Maybe you can't see how but some of us have seen it before. And it happened in the ring with the skillset they brought to it. You're a mess.

[Khalid X]

Yo dummy, this just adds to the list of tough fights he took on before he faced your beloved Pacquioa. Oh, he fought Morales a second time during that peroid. Barerra did not cherry pick his way and wait for downward sloping fighters.

You said, indirectly, that Barrera wasn't the same after those Morales fights. If that was the case explain his run after the first fight and also for ****s n giggles explain his run after Pacquiao a fight you claim he was shot leading into.