I'll be very disappointed if Marquez struggles with Diaz again this saturday

[warp1432]

diaz's style will always cause a counter puncher problems plus jmm isnt exactly a defensive wizard....i expect the same type of fight but maybe ending a bit sooner

Diaz's style is a bit different then it was a year ago though. He doesn't go balls out and he doesn't apply smart pressure. Even though prime Diaz never backed off, Diaz was a smart pressure fighter.

[AllEyesOpen]

Marquez is an excellent counter puncher, but mostly in exchanges. He does get hit, but he lands those shots in between his opponents shots that tend to catch them off guard, unless he's being outboxed and kept on the outside like Mayweather did.

[infamous larryx]

Marquez is an excellent counter puncher, but mostly in exchanges. He does get hit, but he lands those shots in between his opponents shots that tend to catch them off guard, unless he's being outboxed and kept on the outside like Mayweather did.

exactly..jmm is effective in exchanges..thats why he was so effective against manny..cause hes accurate,can take a shot and is very sharp

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Juan Diaz is by no means the same fighter from their first fight anymore. Each time Diaz loses, it takes a little bit out of him. By now he's completely done. Let's show what I mean.

When he lost to Campbell: Campbell showed Diaz's restless style could be stopped after wearing him down with body shots and more importantly cutting him.

In the first Marquez fight: Diaz was just as good as he was in his prime, but once again Diaz got solved by Marquez and then Diaz could not fight with his cuts. Diaz was missing wide in the later rounds.

In the first Malignaggi fight: Diaz showed he was slipping. It wasn't just being at 140 pounds. He was aggressive, but he wasn't all over Paulie like he was Campbell or Marquez. He was looking for more a good combination, rather then just throwing in his normal style.

In the second Malignaggi fight: Diaz wasn't even the same. He was a lot more cautious and looked clueless to what would work. He was more jab oriented, but his jab isn't that good by itself. He looked confused on what to do and it was very evident that he is not the same fighter anymore.

I don't think the Mayweather loss took much out of Marquez, hopefully. It was at a higher weight and I don't think even taking a lot of shots will affect Marquez's countering and combinations.

If Diaz is competitive again, I'll be disappointed.

There's a couple things you are just overlooking in this thread you made. First off you are comparing Campbell and Malignaggi as if they are the same type of fighters. Malignaggi is in his prime and bigger than Campbell.

Also, I thought Diaz was incredibly aggressive with Paulie, he just couldn't get away with it because Paulie is an excellent and very slick boxer.

In the second fight it showed even more when Paulie was able to hurt him with an awkward right hand. Even he was surprised he hurt Diaz.

I think Diaz doesn't get enough credit, I wouldn't call him an A type fighter but he's an excellent LW and has been champ for a reason. His style is tough for some but slick boxers like Paulie and Campbell have done well with him and there's no shame in that.

JMM is past it and i do think Diaz is a little past it as well but that's also because everyone of his fights now is with A level fighters so of course his fights are going to be tougher.

I think JMM wins but wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a tough fight because like you admitted, JMM isn't a defensive giant and even when he can show some defense, he chooses to **** because he's a warrior. The more you hit JMM the more he wants to hit you back, that fits Diaz style perfectly if JMM is not smart enough to allow Diaz to lure him into that type of fight which he did last fight.

[warp1432]

There's a couple things you are just overlooking in this thread you made. First off you are comparing Campbell and Malignaggi as if they are the same type of fighters. Malignaggi is in his prime and bigger than Campbell.

Also, I thought Diaz was incredibly aggressive with Paulie, he just couldn't get away with it because Paulie is an excellent and very slick boxer.

In the second fight it showed even more when Paulie was able to hurt him with an awkward right hand. Even he was surprised he hurt Diaz.

I think Diaz doesn't get enough credit, I wouldn't call him an A type fighter but he's an excellent LW and has been champ for a reason. His style is tough for some but slick boxers like Paulie and Campbell have done well with him and there's no shame in that.

JMM is past it and i do think Diaz is a little past it as well but that's also because everyone of his fights now is with A level fighters so of course his fights are going to be tougher.

I think JMM wins but wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a tough fight because like you admitted, JMM isn't a defensive giant and even when he can show some defense, he chooses to **** because he's a warrior. The more you hit JMM the more he wants to hit you back, that fits Diaz style perfectly if JMM is not smart enough to allow Diaz to lure him into that type of fight which he did last fight.

I didn't mean to directly compare Paulie and Campbell, I was just showing how each fight Diaz seems to lose more and more. Also, I fully appreciate for what Diaz did in his day. He has a pretty damn good resume for being on top of the division for 3 years. He's done now though.

About Diaz being aggressive with Paulie and not getting away with it, I agree how he couldn't get away with it, but Diaz didn't show the same intensity he had against Marquez or the first 6 rounds in the Campbell fight.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I didn't mean to directly compare Paulie and Campbell, I was just showing how each fight Diaz seems to lose more and more. Also, I fully appreciate for what Diaz did in his day. He has a pretty damn good resume for being on top of the division for 3 years. He's done now though.

About Diaz being aggressive with Paulie and not getting away with it, I agree how he couldn't get away with it, but Diaz didn't show the same intensity he had against Marquez or the first 6 rounds in the Campbell fight.

Yes but you answered your own question man, he couldn't get away with it because Paulie is much harder to hit than JMM, even you admitted that.

When JMM fights smart and he was in his prime, he was almost unbeatable. The one thing I can say might be JMM's biggest weakness is he has so much pride. The Mexican in him won't allow him to back off and be tactical at times, especially when facing a guy like Diaz who like to ****.

I saw him the most technical when he fought Pac because Pac forces you to respect his power. Diaz has no power and JMM welcomes him walking right in.

Not to be cliche' but styles make fights man and JMM doesn't defend as well with Diaz as Paulie and Campbell did so it looks as if Diaz isn't putting forth full effort when in fact he was incredibly aggressive in both fights.

[Franco2012]

I hope JMM knocks his ass in round 1!

[infamous larryx]

I hope JMM knocks his ass in round 1!

why??cause he said he thinks mannys on roids??

[pistol whip]

jmm is def not a great definsive fighter..but he is a great counter puncher..cause even when he gets hit he hits you 3-4 times with accurate sharp punches..a counter is still a counter even if you get hit

I think you are just overexagerrating things a bit. In fact this usually happens with non black fighters for some reason. Obviously great non black defensive fighters are never given the same credit as their black counterparts because they still fight typically in an orthadox fighting style while black fighters usually are flashier and fight with their hands around their waist.


Im almost convinced that if willie pep fought in this era of boxing people would be saying that he's just an average white defensive fighter.

[-Hyperion-]

i know what you mean.....but i dont think its so much lost skill as it is ****** gameplaning and lack of hunger..yes juan has a great jab, but he needed to mix up his jab to set up his attack(like he did vs katsidis and cotto) instead of waiting to land single jabs(paulie II)....and marquez is diaz' biggest fight again, so if he has any self respect left, he'll want to go out guns blazing again...or at leats boxing a bit more, but with purpose.....if juan diaz loses a cautious decision, then he is done as an attraction as well....